Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[Ranger]

Hmph.
You people and your boring /confirms.

You're not giving me much to work with, here.

VOTE: Huntress.
/confirm.

[Ranger]

That's eleven by my count.

Firebringer's confirm was a scum post.

Discuss.

Discussion? Pfft. We're in a blitz game, we just wagon blindly.

VOTE: Firebringer.

[Ranger]

I agree with Molla: Firebringer is scum.

[Ranger]

Realtalk: I wasn't joking when I voted Firebringer.

I'm honestly just confused. Don't see what makes him so scummy.

This is a possible buddy.

IM VERY TMEPTED TO LOL HAMMER IT

I'm very tempted to encourage the behavior! Especially on Firebringer.

Antitown

Malakittens? Quite possibly.

[Ranger]

I'm not fond of the disintegration of the Firebringer wagon. Yes, it was fast. Yes, it happened during the RVS. But it was serious, and more importantly, it was very likely on scum.

VOTE: Huntress
START TALKING YOU!

This

might

be scum-voting-scum, but I'm not sure.

VOTE: Ranger
Better lurker to vote.

What.

[Ranger]

Here's the thing with this post. I was under the impression that everyone was joking about Firebringer, and then he comes in with this serious post and takes the intensity of the bandwagon from a 3 to like a 8.

The thing about that post, though, is that he did everything I was planning on doing. As in, he saw literally every thing that I was seeing, and pointed it out.

The only reason you don't see me making that kind of case is because I'm lazy, and Syryana beat me to it.

Totes down for an Ika lynch

Why? I actually really liked the natural feeling of his posting.

[Ranger]

Given that I don't like the ABR / ika options and Firebringer might be town given the main drivers are no longer voting him, I'm happy with this in principle and for a couple of other reasons.
VOTE: Syryana

I'm not sure, yet, if this is scum...but I

will

say I absolutely

hate

it.

I think I'd settle on Ranger for today as well, and I'm certainly not townreading Molla for his shifting sands play.

[not OMGUS] ...Though this makes me lean scum. talah is basically going with popular opinion. Both here and in his previous post, he's going with the crowd. Especially BBMolla.

[Ranger]

Explain the scumread please.

There is no explanation I can give that can top the one Syryana already gave. Just go with that one.

[Ranger]

So... you had no reasons of your own?

Nice misrep.

I said Syryana said it better than I could. Not that I didn't have reasons of my own.

Syryana just stole every possible reason I could have listed before I could post any of my own. My early posting should have made it quite clear I saw the same things he did. If you'd like, I could go through the posting and do my own wording, but it will end up just being an inferior rehash of what Syryana so thoroughly did the first time.

[Ranger]

I want to know what you were thinking at that time and I don't really care what Syryana said because obviously he went into some detail, and you didn't.

Everything I was thinking, Syryana covered.

Interaction with me and interaction with Nosferatu seemed genuine.

We'll have to disagree, then.

Vote: Syryana

This is a very bad vote, and I think it's bad in the scum way.

[Ranger]

Really?

Yes, really.

The art of good RVS is disguising serious content as a joke. I mastered it long ago.

[Ranger]

Hey. FB wagon isn't happening right now. Come vote Talah with me!

*sigh*
Fine.

VOTE: talah.

Why is huntress scum?

Simplest version: since the beginning, I haven't liked any of the stances Huntress has been taking.

Wow I just realized how awful the Syryana wagon is.

Agreed. The most-town name there is Kid A, who I think is town, but the rest, not so much.

I like talah so far. Makes good posts and isn't afraid of anything.

I call BS.

[Ranger]

First you're sighing that you have to switch your vote to me, then you're calling BS on someone calling me town.

...And?

[Ranger]

And why are you sighing and then saying at the same time that you have 'reasonz' to be voting me?

Because I'd still rather we lynch Firebringer.

You're a scumread, just not as strong of one.

talah is it normal for you to misrep random things and ask questions about them?

I would certainly hope the answer would be "only as scum".

Even if he's lying, Jailkeeper for one scum is a trade I comfortable with.

Hmmph. /bitter.

VOTE: DrippingGoofBall.

The wording seems off. If it were a roleblocker, I think it would say Outer Satellite Roleblocker?

My wording is entirely different, so I can buy different wordings. It'd help to have a sample role PM on the front page, though.

[Ranger]

Thoughts on DGB's role wording?

Regardless of her alignment, I don't think she's lying.

I just think she's scum fakeclaiming with a mod-provided fakeclaim.

[Ranger]

don't mod-provided fakeclaims generally not conflict with actually present roles?

I'm telling you, the way my role's worded is different from both of theirs (government, with no mention of officers), so I think that regardless of their alignments, they're using either their real role or their mod-provided fakeclaim; in either case, the mod would be smart enough to have the conflict be intentional.

For the record: I'm convinced that even

if

DrippingGoofBall is town, Syryana is town, too: as a scum roleblocker, he has no reason to paint a target on himself by counter-claiming. He could just stay silent and say he was a VT, blocking DGB.

Since he's not saying it, Spiffeh, Pere and I are in an anytime-talk neighbourhood. If one of the two is scum, it's probably Spiffeh. But I figure I can nut it out since it's a lot quieter and rational over there.

Or far more likely, it's you.

[Ranger]

I think people who are saying shit like PV is saying are probably scum who realized that in DGB vs. Syr, DGB loses so they're trying to deflect it elsewhere. Fuck that. The wagon is good. I don't understand how anyone can actually believe Syr is scum.

I also don't get the spiffeh scum read.

H I V E M I N D.

[Ranger]

Kid A scum and DGB scum actually doesn't make a shit ton of sense. If Kid A sees DGB going down, why claim to have similar role PM?

I think Kid A is town, if it helps.

I'd be comfortable with Huntress or talah for today, I'd need to be convinced for anything outside of that.

The only thing stopping me from agreeing is that DGB is very transparently scum and Syryana very much transparently town.

[Ranger]

talah both ABR and DGB haver been scummy as shit

That, plus the claim, is why the DGB lynch is the best.

{Syryana, BBMolla, ika}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Kid A (sadly)}
{pignash}
{Firebringer, PeregrineV}
{Huntress, Malakittens, talah}
{DrippingGoofBall}.

[Ranger]

Private information, I'm afraid. (My handle on there has 'ranger' in it, though. Only so many sites have a female player by the name of ranger who plays mafia.) It's actually a trick that I picked up on here, don't remember how or why, but I find it easy shorthand, which fits with my (mostly) lazy style of play. If I actually live long enough to use it (I'm an early nightkill), I'm thinking of adapting it for my home site, even.

[Ranger]

See if you were posting explanatory shit like that along with your reads I wouldn't be scumreading you.

Well I said it already. I'm lazy.

I

can

give reasons. It's just easier not to.

[Ranger]

Syryana is the most obvious town player to have ever obvtowned.

Ever

. Throw in him doing CC that is suicidal for scum to make, and he is town.
ABR was posting like scum when he was in the game. DGB has done nothing to change that, relying on a crutch-claim to cruise by without actually doing anything. That said claim was CCed by Syryana only solidifies the scumread.

[Ranger]

what makes you think that DGB-scum would blindly walk into a jailkeeper claim as scum?

Because jailkeeper is probably her actual role, so she thought it would be safe to claim without being counterclaimed.

[Ranger]

Hey guys remember that time I said DGB was scum and Syr is town despite many disagreements

Indeed. Shame we only got one scum dead from the deal.

Still think we've got the game between talah and Malakittens, though. I'll read to see which has a larger wagon on them and vote appropriately.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Malakittens.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Kid A

Sheepin'.

I REALLY want tallah dead, though.

Both the Kid A and Spiffeh wagons are equally terrible. Neither of them are flipping scum.

[Ranger]

Because I don't see the scum motivation behind his posting.

I see it as bad, yes, but I don't see it as bad in a scum way.

When I looked at Huntress, I saw bad in a scum way.
When I looked at ABR and later DGB, I saw bad in a scum way.
When I see talah and Malakittens, I see bad in a scum way.

But in Kid A I just see bad in a wrong-town way. I think the wagon there is a mistake.

[Ranger]

SO you think Mala over Kid A?

Explicitly so, yes.

Ideally, our two lynch candidates for today would be Malakittens and talah. I'd lynch either of them. I realize there's probably only one scum left (though I suppose two is possible if the game

is

role madness), so one of the reads is probably wrong, but they're both equally strong in my eyes. (Slight lean towards talah as scum.) So my stance is that we should lynch one, and if the game's not over, vig the other. If one/both flipped town and the game was still ongoing, I'd reconsider my reads, but I don't see scum outside of them. Right now, I'm doing a bit of a reread to see if I can find which of them is more likely to be scum, but while I really want talah dead, Malakittens has the larger wagon on her.

[Ranger]

DrippingGoofball (6): ika, pignash, Syryana, Spiffeh, Ranger, BBmolla
Ranger (3): PeregrineV, talah, Huntress
Syryana (3): DrippingGoofball, Kid A, Malakittens
Huntress (1): Nosferatu

This was the wagon shortly before the lynch. With the very

slight

possible exception of pignash, I can't see anyone on it as being scum. It's more than who they voted for--it's also who voted them. This can be explained if anyone really thinks it's necessary, but I think it speaks for itself.

On my wagon, we have one flipped scum, then we have {PeregrineV, talah}.
On Syryana, we have one flipped scum, then we have {Kid A, Malakittens}.
And I'm pretty sure that Nosferatu's vote was not scum bussing.

DrippingGoofball (8): ika, pignash, Syryana, Spiffeh, Ranger, BBmolla, Firebringer, PeregrineV
Syryana (3): DrippingGoofball, Kid A, Malakittens
Ranger (2): talah, Huntress
Huntress (1): Nosferatu

PeregrineV

could

be scum bussing, here, but given that he could have simply not voted, let the clock run out, and have a no-lynch D1, I've given him a bit of a pass.

So yes, {Kid A, Malakittens, talah} is the only possible pool I can see scum in...and I have a personal townread on Kid A. (Again, rereading the thread now to see if I can get something stronger.)

If I was guessing purely from the VCA, I'd probably guess Malakittens, since I find it slightly more likely to have a second scum on the Syryana wagon. If I was guessing purely from play, at the moment I'd probably guess talah, by a slight margin. So still figuring this out.

[Ranger]

Slightly more than ika at this time would be Kid A.

I don't think this was a bus.

In other news, I'm an idiot.

VOTE: talah.

[Ranger]

You're probably going to find Mala is the Vig or claiming it.

Since he just said this...actually, yes.

Waiting for the purrfect time to shoot my bullet :p

That and her confidence in not getting lynched.

[Ranger]

Kind of feeling like
all three are bad
and this is the scum

It's possible talah and Kid A are town and PeregrineV is scum, but I'd prefer we wait until tomorrow. The scum's roleblocking role was taken out. They can't stop the vig shot. Therefore it serves as a second lynch. We're guaranteed at least one free vig shot, more if the vig isn't nightkilled by the scum. Kid A can be vigged, talah can be lynched, and if the game's not over, PeregrineV can be lynched.

I might change my stance by the time I'm finished reading, though. I'll keep you posted. (Still rereading.)

[Ranger]

Also, Mala, if it wasn't clear: don't claim. Regardless of whether you are or are not the vig, we gain nothing from you claiming. Scum, however, do.

[Ranger]

Does it really matter who it was addressed to? Saw a scummy thing, noted a scummy thing, and voted the person who said the scummy thing. Terribly simple. Does your opinion of me drastically change because of this? Is this odd behaviour from me or in general? Have you never seen someone respond to something not addressed to them? I mean for goodness's sakes, you just did it now! I didn't ask you a question, but here you are, responding to my post! In short, the answer to your question is: Because I felt like it.

This post confirms my suspicion that Nosferatu's interaction with Huntress was not scum-scum.

This had better be a prelude to some kind of catchup.

^This is what I'm mainly looking for in PeregrineV: did he do anything, or did he just coast by? I want to see.

[Ranger]

Peregrine, join the syryana wagon. After she flips scum, we will have all the precious towncred.

Hmmm...
HMMMMMMM.
This seems

extremely

out of place.

I might have changed my opinion, here.

I realize I didn't like 345 at the time, but I actually hold a more neutral stance now; I can see it either way.

[Ranger]

379 and 380 are both bravado that tonality-wise really sound like town to me, for what it's worth. 387 even moreso--while the talah defense (Molla's vote at the time) is unusual, it reads as extremely sincere.
I also liked 468/469, though I can't name anything in particular about them.

(Should be noted my pignash townread has grown stronger on the reread, too. I've skipped that since I'm assuming everyone else shares it, but if people want me to, I can point out why.)

VOTE: PeregrineV.
I vote to vig talah.

[Ranger]

Well, let's wagon him then! :P

[Ranger]

Since he's not saying it, Spiffeh, Pere and I are in an anytime-talk neighbourhood.

By the way: there's, 100%, scum between {Spiffeh, talah, PeregrineV}.

What makes me think this?

This:

Did I mention I hate neighborhoods, and they shouldn't exist?

Could that be coincidence, sure, do I think it is? No, I think that was a slip.

[Ranger]

Kid A scum and DGB scum actually doesn't make a shit ton of sense. If Kid A sees DGB going down, why claim to have similar role PM?

This is a valid point for why Kid A is town.

I definitely am noting the defense of DGB in PeregrineV's posting, along with a general lack of content.

[Ranger]

because I don't want to lynch either DGB or Syryana toDay. Would also consider voting talah but there are no votes on that wagon at the moment. I don't think there is anyone else I'm ready to vote just now.

While this

could

be distancing, I actually think it's evidence talah's town. (Especially given talah was also voting me, yet Huntress posted this.)

[Ranger]

STOP DAMAGING MY CONFIDENCE

You could always vote PeregrineV anyway!

[Ranger]

@ Spiffeh: You could always switch to Ranger.

This, near deadline, gives me further reason to believe scum were banking on my counterwagon (trying to get a wagon going on me), though that doesn't exactly narrow it down between talah/PeregrineV/Spiffeh neighborhood-wise. (It does, however, suggest Kid A is town.)

[Ranger]

talah, if you try, I will lynch you.

With two scum dead on day two, we are

not

massclaiming.

Yes the scum are almost certainly screwed. Yes, we've probably got them cornered. Yes, we're very likely in a near-guaranteed win.
But claiming only helps give the scum a roadmap to kills.

We have the scum at a severe disadvantage.

Massclaiming is stupid right now.

[Ranger]

why are we voting mala now?

Because people are dumb.

Speaking of,

Not Voting (4): Nosferatu

Vote PeregrineV.

[Ranger]

Yeah Nos this whole not voting thing does not look good on you

You're not much better, given,

Kid A (1): Spiffeh

Please vote PeregrineV.

[Ranger]

- Did the 18 hours til prod, 6 hours to post afterwards rule seem reasonable?

Yes, but I'll be honest: I can guarantee I can post once a day. 18 hours means I need to do so twice a day 12 hours apart, and I

can't

always do that, so I was terrified multiple times that I was going to get prodded.

- Would a 48 hour day have been preferable to 72?
- What about the 48 hour night? I thought it was better than 24 hours mostly so players could have downtime every few days.

Honestly, I don't think it would have made a difference.

@Ranger, I loved your play here, but I am sort of curious: why the FACK would you watch Molla N1?

Well as ffery said, basically, I was expecting any doctors in the game to be protecting you, and were there to be none, for the scum to

fear

doctors protecting you.

...In my defense, all I'd have seen was Huntress (a scumread of mine anyway) visiting you, when she died thanks to Spiffeh.

[Ranger]

I guess at the start of the game with Syr providing explanations and Ranger sheeping.

I didn't sheep.

I saw Firebringer's posts, and for the same reasons BBMolla and Syryana did, I thought they were scum. I thought this immediately, thus my 37.

If Molla and Syryana hadn't seen it, I still would have been there, because my thoughts were mine. It just so

happened

that Syryana's thoughts were also mine. That's why I never explained; there was literally nothing I could have said that Syryana hadn't already covered, so my posting would've been redundant.

I thoroughly enjoyed this game. Hiveminding with Molla and Ranger was fun as hell.

It was!

Syryana you honestly were so fucking on the same page as me it blew my mind and almost made me think you were scum

Funnily enough, I had that exact thought about

you

D2. :P

[Ranger]

I have my own way of arriving at that so usually like to provide some extra content to allow other players to read me as town and prove myself as town.

I was a

watcher

.

Drawing attention to myself (by proving I was town) would've been a

hilariously

bad idea. Simply put, I could've 'proven' I was town fairly easily, but given my role, it was more beneficial for me to remain out of the spotlight.

[Ranger]

I've only rolled a couple of PRs but the whole 'act a bit scummy' thing hasn't been something I gelled with

Oh, I would never 'act a bit scummy'.

I simply didn't put effort into acting town.

Big difference. :P