Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[Syryana]

I'm back and open for business!



I even have a lovely poem:

The quill
The page
Lyric
Rampage
Word up?

VOTE: Albert Rampage

[Syryana]

Dude. Duuuuude.

VOTE: Firebringer

This game is awesome.

[Syryana]

Dude. Duuuuude.

VOTE: Firebringer

This game is awesome.

[Syryana]

Balls, double post.

[Syryana]

HI IKA

CAPS ARE IN VOGUE JUST NOW

ALSO VOTE FIREBRINGER

[Syryana]

* winces at the all-caps *

VOTE: BBmolla

What changed your mind?

I do think this is a stupid town motivated wagon.

Why?

[Syryana]

What changed your mind?

Changed my mind from what? That was my first post apart from the confirm.

I evidently managed to confuse you with Ranger. I had some cockamamie idea at the time that you'd said FB is a scumfuck.

Which he is, and you should go back to voting.

[Syryana]

Your whole defense

Is scummy as fuck

This especially

"I GOT CAUGHT FOR WRONG REASONS"

This is fairly accurate.

I can elaborate after I get off work, if you prefer.

[Syryana]

Fun thing is im abbout to head to work

Vote for FIARBRINGAH

[Syryana]

I'm not opposed to lynching Firebringer, I have a soft spot for wagons and caps-posting.

WE'RE GOING TO GET ALONG JUST FIIIIIIINE

However given that he's L-2 and ika appears to be expressing intent to lolhammer I'd like the day to go on a bit longer.

In other news, I find this reasonable.

UNVOTE:

[Syryana]

Ohhh shit, they are on to me.

I better go hide in the scum cave!!

False bravado. I did dumb shit like this my first scumgame and promptly got lynched. Which is what we're gonna do to this guy after Talah is satisfied.

lol
"RVS OVER"

Looks at page number.

It is still 1.

HAHAHAHA

An awful reaction to Molla. Page number has nothing to do with RVS and a proper town response would have been along the lines of "LOL, you high Molla?" or some variation thereof that bluntly calls Molla wrong instead of weirdly latching onto RVS being over.

CAN I FUCKING DOUBLE VOTE YOU JESUS FUCK KEEP DROPPING SCUMTELLS YOU SCUMFUCK

You are so cute.

Molla discredit #1

lololol

At least your entertaining BBMolla.

Molla discredit #2

I literally don't have to try to discredit you.
You are dong that yourself.

Molla discredit #4 (this one counts as 2)

HE IS SCUM I AM NOT VOTING ANYOEN ELSE TODAY THANK YOU

That tunnel is real!

Molla discredit #5

I agree with all the people who think fire is scum.
Its so god damn obvious.

Annoyed caughtscum response. Why caughtscum? Because from the word choice and tone of his post he already feels defeated. Town has no reason to be defeated here.

FB do you think there are scum on your wagon?

Given any reasonable wagon length it can be assumed their usually is at least 1 scum on there.
But I could always be wrong.

I do think this is a stupid town motivated wagon.

I need some clippers to deal with this hedge. Tries to appease folks on his wagon by calling them town while downplaying the wagon itself by calling it stupid.

WOOT L-2.

Who wants to get me at L-1?
Any takers?

Annoyed caughtscum #2, dat defeated tone again

I'd vote you just for that, but I don't want a surprise hammer from ika.

Are you going to spend the rest of the day being a waste of time?

I am hunting for opportunistic scum, and this post reeks of it.

When I reveal myself as town, I am sure we will have great discussions on the wagon that has formed on me and the reasons people are on it.

We are out of RVS, unless you actually think I am scum people should get off me.
Either take the vote off me,
or Explain the vote.

That is all I am requesting at this time.

Translated his post from scum-ese: "I'm scumhunting, even though I haven't been, and this guy is scum for not letting Ika lolhammer me. There's got to be scum on my wagon, but I'm not prepared to call anybody on the wagon out yet. Halp, I'm being unfairly attacked, halp!"

Essentially, he's being opportunistic in jumping on Nosferatu (which is hilarious in itself as he calls Nos opportunistic). Conveniently this post comes shortly after Molla makes the comment about speedlynching Nos given a FB scumflip. He's at least trying to rally, I'll give him that.

why is this post opportunistic, it doesn't jump on any opportunity.


You said there was one scum on your wagon and you haven't named them.

you're defensive aren't you?

I don't remember saying 100% their is scum on my wagon. I said it can reasonably be assumed their is probably 1.

Go quote my post, I don't remember saying 100% their was scum.

Also I am arguing with you, if thats defensive w/e. I am just calling you out on some of your bs.

You are openning yourself up for a future vote. That is the opportunity. You can be opportunistic without votes. Go with the motions of everyone around you, I mean that is what scum would want to do. Follow the crowd subtly control it from the back.

Now he's actually hedging on his hedge. This just gets better and better. He's basically dodging answering Nos' question and redirects with an attack on Nos for fencesitting and setting himself up to vote FB.

[Syryana]

I'm fine lynching either of these fucks

Hey Molla. I'm not sold on the Nos-scum if FB-scum idea. You think FB is capable of the type of scum theatre needed to attack a buddy as he's going down?

[Syryana]

Ding!

Time is up.

Vote: Syrana

That looked like some sort of weird justification post for what is essentially an RVS wagon.

No, it's me elaborating like Huntress asked me to.

I'm not super keen on Syryana.

I'm not super keen on yer beard, but ya dun hear me complainin!

[Syryana]

are you implying that the points against you are invalid?

I think they are stupid, not invalid.

Please dissect my case and point out what, precisely, is stupid. Furthermore, if they are stupid but valid, that means I'm right and you're scum, yes?

[Syryana]

and that makes it RVS?

You think every person on me has a reason to vote me?
It started as a RVS wagon, its compromised as almost all RVS votes, therefore its a RVS wagon.

If everyone comes on here and explains their vote, then it is no longer a RVS wagon.
You fine with that? or we going to continue splitting hairs or w/e we are doing.

I would like to point out two things:

1) Whether the wagon on you is RVS or not is irrelevant
2) At maximum one of the votes on you is an RVS vote.

Please dissect my case and point out what, precisely, is stupid. Furthermore, if they are stupid but valid, that means I'm right and you're scum, yes?

I am fine not doing that.
Hard to defend against stupid, its like arguing with a wall, which I tend to alot in rl.

So, it's all stupid? Got it.

[Syryana]

VOTE: abr

im jsut gonna leave this vote here untill people figure out stuff

What the fucj

Pretty sure he voted randomly until he can lolhammer FB.

[Syryana]

My goal in voting you wasn't to exit RVS it was to vote scum

And that's what I don't think you get

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nosferatu

NO MOLLA WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Syryana]

I don't think it's implausible for you to believe those reasons is what I meant.

Do you have prior experience with ABR, Molla?

[Syryana]

I don't think it's implausible for you to believe those reasons is what I meant.

Do you have prior experience with ABR, Molla?

Lame question. Clearly you do.

Moment please. Trying to reorganize my thoughts into a coherent and hopefully less lame format.

[Syryana]

I feel kind of dumb. Was leading into questioning whether ABR is known for giving reasoning like he has, but you kinda already answered that with the implausible bit.

I found #106 was overboard as well. Overly dramatic and not matching the tone I would expect from town. What do you make of him?

Let's dig deeper into this. I'll forgive you the overly dramatic thing, as you don't have any play experience with me AFAIK. What sort of tone were you expecting from town?

Pedit: The only person joking about Firebringer was maybe Kid A and apparently in hindsight you. Molla and I were hiveminding the fuck out of that scumread and huntress wanted to know why I thought he was scum. Hence that post.

I'm also pretty much always over the top. (self-meta ftw)

Pedit2: Totes down for an Ika lynch

[Syryana]

Fair enough.

[Syryana]

Well Molla's town.

That's all you got, Mala?

[Syryana]

I can see where you're coming from on Syryana, but I moreso think it was more him not being clear on how serious he was about Firebringer being scum early than him not being serious about it at all.

This true, Alby?

VOTE: ika

[Syryana]

"He's scum, vote him, for reals."

Yeah I was out of RVS at my FB vote.

The rest is me cheerleading on my scum wagon with my usual panache and dapper demeanor.

[Syryana]

Well Molla's town.

That's all you got, Mala?

The rest I wanna keep up my sleeve for now. Waiting for the purrfect time to shoot my bullet :p

[Syryana]

Will catch up soon, at work.

[Syryana]

VOTE: mala
I dun like this one 1 bit

I kind of agreed with you on first glance but after some introspection I decided that Mala-scum wouldn't play in such an easy to jump on way, if that makes any sense. She'd be trying to fit in better IMO.

Molla's probably town along with FB and Spiffeh is likely scum but then again that's pretty transparent eh?

Spiffeh?

Molla's probably town along with FB and Spiffeh is likely scum but then again that's pretty transparent eh?

Wait how is spiffeh scum?
I would like to hear this.

Ninja'd

Gut, maybe a bit of probably inconclusive meta and moar gut.

Can you point out where you got gut pings?

Have you changed your mind about this? Seems like yiu have two people in your scumpool but voted neither.

My scumpool doesn't have either an FB or a Nosferatu in it anymore. FB primarily because I went and reread the thread and taking into account Molla's point about SC2 players not taking RVS seriously and the fact he's been pretty fucking town since. Nosferatu's posting got a lot better too.

Well that Firebringer wagon evaporated pretty quickly.

Wagons tend to do that when the person being wagoned starts obvtowning.

Given that I don't like the ABR / ika options and Firebringer might be town given the main drivers are no longer voting him, I'm happy with this in principle and for a couple of other reasons.
VOTE: Syryana

...so you vote one of the drivers? Also is there any particular reason you have to be on a wagon? This also seems like rather a lot of justification for voting me.

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@Syr

Why did you unvote FB when he was at L-2? There was no risk there as long as nobody else voted him. Your unvote was pointless imo.

He was technically at L-1 when I unvoted, primarily because Ika is a lolhammer.

Also because there was no danger in unvoting him. Is my "pointless unvote" why you're scumreading me?

@Molla

While I appreciate your abrasiveness and it comes across as scumhunting, I'm a bit concerned that you've come to independent sorta-conculsions that both FB and Nosferatu are town after having proposed them as scum/scum (83), then scum/sk (146) and now town/town (183)?
It has a feeling of knowing that both are town and having trouble suspending your own disbelief and remaining convincing when confronted directly by your targets.
Also you're happy with ika, Ranger and Kid A now, who seem like pretty easy targets? I'm at least leaning town on ika.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

Elaborate on Syr scumread tho, make me see it.

ABR and me never tend to see things eye to eye, but I don't think it's indicative of alignment for him, we just read things different.

How is this a train of thought when you're saying ABR seems scummy and then stating something you know about him tending to not see eye to eye with you meta-wise? And you also claim to not be reaction testing?

I'm having a lot of trouble following your play here.

You leave my mason buddy the fuck alone.

@Mala

Well Molla's town.

Please explain, I'm not seeing it.

Molla's probably town along with FB and Spiffeh is likely scum but then again that's pretty transparent eh?

Wait how is spiffeh scum?
I would like to hear this.

Gut, maybe a bit of probably inconclusive meta and moar gut.

Your vote seems kind of useless just sitting there on gut.
Goign back to your response to me about voting off the FB wagon, how do you expect to get information from Day 1 if there aren't significant wagons to look back at later? Personal preferences aside, this is a different format from what most of us are used to and there's not a lot of time to chill and do nothing.
We need to be deciding on a lynch right now don't you think?

This part makes me squint really really fucking hard. You seem a lot more interested in being on a lynch wagon than you do in actually finding scum.

Totes down for an Ika lynch

Why? I actually really liked the natural feeling of his posting.

Because I don't know Ika well enough to know whether his posting is alignment indicative, but I know him more than well enough to policy lynch the fuck out of him given an opportunity.

So... you had no reasons of your own?

Nice misrep.

I said Syryana said it better than I could. Not that I didn't have reasons of my own.

Syryana just stole every possible reason I could have listed before I could post any of my own. My early posting should have made it quite clear I saw the same things he did. If you'd like, I could go through the posting and do my own wording, but it will end up just being an inferior rehash of what Syryana so thoroughly did the first time.

Generally town are able to just reference their memory and state what they were thinking.

At the time you had wagoned FB because wagons (ok good, fine), and then stated that you were now scumreading FB.

I want to know what you were thinking at that time and I don't really care what Syryana said because obviously he went into some detail, and you didn't.

So again - you had no reason of your own to scumread Firebringer?
If that question's too hard for you, how are you reading Firebringer now?

Line 1 is total bullshit.
Line 2 is pointless.
Line 3 he's answered already. Also if you don't buy that he has no reason outside of what I already posted, why are you voting me instead of him since according to you detail is a good thing?
Line 4: Let me spell it out for you. H-E W-A-S H-I-V-E-M-I-N-D-I-N-G W-I-T-H M-E A-N-D M-O-L-L-A.

@ Syryana:

Thanks for the elaboration in 106. The problem I have with it though is that it seems to me you are taking each of Firebringer's posts and finding a reason for it to be scummy, which is scummy in itself.

I have a question for you: Do you think Nosferatu misunderstood what Firebringer meant about a possible scum on the wagon in his reply to Spiffeh (61)?

Vote: Syryana

No I'm not. Where am I doing this?

Re Nos: I don't think so, and I have no idea what the point of that question is.

I want you to be scum, I'm gonna ride this out for now but I'll switch to Nos if it happens. Maybe he's SK and you're Mafia.

Why might Nos be SK rather than town, or mafia to Fb town? Or even in different scumgroups come to that? To say SK seems oddly specific.

I'm 99.98% sure that he just thought we both weren't town but we couldn't be on the same scumteam. Since, I don't know, he literally said we couldn't be on the same team in his next post.

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: Huntress

I love you; I don't love your vote.

Pedit: Agreed, Mala

[Syryana]

All that said:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: talah

[Syryana]

essentially an RVS wagon.

I don't think it was an RVS wagon. The points against fire are pretty valid.

Which points are you talking about?

This had better be a prelude to some kind of catchup.

[Syryana]

Don't get why people are town reading Huntress over her reaction to Nos answering her question because that seems like something really safe for scum to get passionate about. Not saying she is scum doing it but it's an extremely null reaction.

This isn't what I'm townreading huntress for.

[Syryana]

PEdit: There should be more votes on pignash tho I think

Why do you think pignash is scum?

[Syryana]

I don't like any of the three on Syryana.

What specifically don't you like about the three individuals?

[Syryana]

You are town and they are voting you.

You don't think any of them might have a valid reason for voting me? (at least in their mind)

[Syryana]

Reason, Kid?

[Syryana]

Honestly it sounds to me like a just out of the package mafia player who's kind of lost.

[Syryana]

Vote Talah with us pig!

[Syryana]

What?

[Syryana]

You are now my favorite pig.

Firebringer, Nosferatu, ASSEMBLE!

[Syryana]

Hey. FB wagon isn't happening right now. Come vote Talah with me!

[Syryana]

This is a very bad vote, and I think it's bad in the scum way.

Why is huntress scum?

[Syryana]

Whatcha think about talah, Mala?

[Syryana]

When did Syryana stop scum reading FB?

I've already said this.

[Syryana]

My scumpool doesn't have either an FB or a Nosferatu in it anymore. FB primarily because I went and reread the thread and taking into account Molla's point about SC2 players not taking RVS seriously and the fact he's been pretty fucking town since. Nosferatu's posting got a lot better too.

Here.

The last two kid posts are pretty disgusting.

Yes.

Man how I missed playing games with Syryana.

<3 you too Mala. (at least if the above isn't sarcastic ;p)

[Syryana]

Yeah, lynch Talah with us!

[Syryana]

Only just now?

Malaaaaaa, Talah wagon has cookiez

[Syryana]

Peregrine, join the syryana wagon. After she flips scum, we will have all the precious towncred.

Two issues with this statement:
First, I'm a he. As my pronoun indicates. And indeed my dashing and dapper avatar.
Second, neither of you ain't getting shit, cos in the unlikely event you somehow get me lynched I ain't flippin' scum.

[Syryana]

You only corrected one of the two points, Alby.

And not the important one.

[Syryana]

[Syryana]

The picture was aimed at you, Ika, not Alby.

Thanks though <3

[Syryana]

I still haven't heard a reason from anyone why Spiffeh could be scum.

[Syryana]

I could definitely live with an ABR lynch.

Cause you think he's scum or for quality of life purposes?

[Syryana]

I could definitely live with an ABR lynch.

Cause you think he's scum or for quality of life purposes?

Both

You thinking what, Talah/Alby/?? scumteam?

[Syryana]

Only just now?

Malaaaaaa, Talah wagon has cookiez

I rather lynch Spiffeh. That's my preferred lynch.

Well, unless you sell me way harder on Spiffeh than you have been that ain't happening with 1d 12h left.

[Syryana]

What d'you think of Spiffeh, Molla?

[Syryana]

What?

My point is that you sheep him hard

Well no shit sherlock, he's my mason buddy.

And hiveminding is far more accurate than sheeping.

[Syryana]

Interesting.

[Syryana]

Babygirlmolla and Syrlacious. I like it.

[Syryana]

Sorry Mala. Just can't agree with you on Spiffeh.

Mala reads fairly cautious to me but her "discuss" reason for scumreading you seems genuine (though I don't agree with it 100%)

I feel good about molla, led the first wagon and has been pretty loosey goosey with posts like he doesn't need to consider future implications.

Talah thoughts here:

Ok, I'm on board. Talah seems to be contributing but really more criticizing others for their scumhunting technique and reasoning. That doesn't seem very helpful to town at this point.

VOTE: Talah

I promised I was only going to use David Tomlinson gifs this game but goddamnit:

[Syryana]

No, we're lynching Syryana. Sorry about that.

[Syryana]

Yep.

VOTE: ABR

[Syryana]

ABR could easily replace out, but going from past games that will probably get the slot autolynched. He's replaced out of the last two scum games, but manages to stay in the town games. I'm not giving him a solid townread, but I'm not scum reading him for it. Just a theory that maybe works more in the favor of town-ABR than scum-ABR.

Welp, he's replacing out.

[Syryana]

We should make fery's life easier and just lynch him.

With that, good night.

[Syryana]

Hi DGB sad to see you in this situation

Yeah no shit, I should have read the game state before offering to replace in.

You guys know I am a jailkeeper, right?

This claim is bullshit. I'm the town roleblocker.

Hi DGB sad to see you in this situation

Yeah no shit, I should have read the game state before offering to replace in.

You guys know I am a jailkeeper, right?

ok

UNVOTE:
VOTE: talah

Git yo ass back on DGB, Molla.

Have you changed your mind about this? Seems like yiu have two people in your scumpool but voted neither.

My scumpool doesn't have either an FB or a Nosferatu in it anymore. FB primarily because I went and reread the thread and taking into account Molla's point about SC2 players not taking RVS seriously and the fact he's been pretty fucking town since. Nosferatu's posting got a lot better too.

These are both players that pushed back, hard, on both you and Molla. Seems easy to town them for crap reasons if you're scum.

It's also easy to town them for, I don't know, being town?

Well that Firebringer wagon evaporated pretty quickly.

Wagons tend to do that when the person being wagoned starts obvtowning.

And your definition of obvtowning is directly above. That's not obvtowning, it's your read and you saying he's been pretty fucking town.
That's phrasing from you, and justification in the form of agreeing with Molla. If you're not *actually* masons with him, then he's not confirmed town to you and you'd need to provide pretty solid reasons Molla's town, otherwise you could just be supporting wrong-town (or scum with him).
Do correct me if you believe I'm wrong.

For obvious reasons you shouldn't think I'm masons with Molla at this point.

And wagons also tend to dissipate when the two drivers decide the wagon sucks and move on. What's your point?

Given that I don't like the ABR / ika options and Firebringer might be town given the main drivers are no longer voting him, I'm happy with this in principle and for a couple of other reasons.
VOTE: Syryana

...so you vote one of the drivers? Also is there any particular reason you have to be on a wagon? This also seems like rather a lot of justification for voting me.

Yeah I vote the guy who was sheeping the guy yelling that a player's scum, after the wagon evaporates and they both proceed to do the rounds creating wagons to see if weak spots and easy lynches exist.
The reason I vote you instead of Molla, is that Molla might just be looking for information, and it looks like you're all about securing the lynch... on anyone.

This is pretty blatantly false since I'm the one who wrote the case on FB, not Molla.

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@Syr

Why did you unvote FB when he was at L-2? There was no risk there as long as nobody else voted him. Your unvote was pointless imo.

He was technically at L-1 when I unvoted, primarily because Ika is a lolhammer.

Also because there was no danger in unvoting him. Is my "pointless unvote" why you're scumreading me?

So if we remove risk of the lolhammer, why are you unvoting at "L-1"? You'll agree it diminishes pressure on the wagon, and you then went ahead and justified your unvote by saying that it was waiting until *I* was satisfied?
I'm not responsible for your actions dude and there was no reason to unvote him unless you stared townreading him at that point, which you didn't.

I at no point said you were responsible for my actions and I've frankly no idea why you think I did. I unvoted at "L-1" because this is a blitz game and we have an Ika, as well as me being fully aware that I tend to go balls deep on things when I probably shouldn't. This should be patently obvious (at least the first part).

I also find this interestingly contradictory, since the first half of your scumread against me seems to involve me sheeping Molla, yet this also points at me-scum for

not

sitting on a wagon at "L-1" that I very easily could have.

And no, that's not the only reason I'm voting you but it's one of them. If you want full elaboration I think someone else is planning to post something here shortly but it relates to what DGB's posted and possibly your own hivemind/mason references.

What in the name of seven fucks does other people posting have to do with elaborating on YOUR scumread?

The other couple of reasons I think you're suspicious are your immediate engagement with me regarding caps-posting which I don't recall from the one or two times previously when we played (when I think you were hydra'ing with ffery and possibly Nacho?). I don't remember the exact context of each game but I remember I liked your posting and attempted to interact. I think your natural state most of the time is a lot less proactive than you're being right now. So I feel you've got something you want to push and it doesn't really look like scumhunting to me. It looks like wanting a lynch and you don't care who.

If you're referring to the fire emblem game, I never posted in that game. If you're referring to something else, you'll have to be more specific.

Actually, nix that. I've no further interest in arguing with scum.

THIS IS NOT A TEST, FIREBRINGER HAS LITERALLY DOEN THE SCUMMIEST STRING OF POSTS I'VE SEEN IN FUCKING MONTHS

FB is scum, BBmolla is his bus'ing buddy.

I am finally going to lynch you, after that horrendous Nightless.

[Syryana]

I'm the town roleblocker.

Specifically, Outer Satellite Operative Roleblocker.

Also talah is town.

No the hell she ain't. I'll make a list of why later. Though you should see it just reading her damn posts.

[Syryana]

'town roleblocker mason'

if you believe this claim you are literally his scumbuddy

I'm not a mason. Which I already said.

[Syryana]

It says what it says.

Pedit: HOLY FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE RETARDED IT WASN'T A GODDAMN MASON CLAIM

[Syryana]

It says what it says.

Pedit: HOLY FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE RETARDED IT WASN'T A GODDAMN MASON CLAIM

how is claiming to be masons with bbmolla twice not a mason claim?

Did you not SEE me and molla hivemind on pages like 2-6? Mason is how I feel about Molla's alignment; I'm never fucking voting him. Ever.

Pedit: Nos, that's a lame argument. Scum surely get fakeclaims from the mod.

[Syryana]

Unless people think two role blocking roles can both be town,

Particularly in light of the fact that I can block the NK as well as actions.

Yeah but do they get a fake claim this fricking early?

You get a fakeclaim whenever you ask for it.

[Syryana]

Nos, that's a lame argument. Scum surely get fakeclaims from the mod.

not an argument, an expression of my self-doubt.

Fair enough

[Syryana]

Particularly in light of the fact that I can block the NK as well as actions.

This is the reason I CC'd in the first place. Town does not get 2 (potentially 3 if Ika isn't lying out his ass) protective roles in a 14p.

[Syryana]

She has a tendency to screw with meta, but I have a really hard time imagining any scenario where scum would be equipped to deal with a jailkeep AND a roleblocker.

Pedit: Not if he thought it was super obvious it wasn't a claim, especially after he said I basically read his mind after posting my FB case

[Syryana]

i townread dgb and scumread syr

Why? On both sides.

[Syryana]

In 106, instead of taking Fb's statements at face value you were putting your own slant on them then calling them scummy.

The point of my question was that you were attacking Fb for not responding to Nos's question when he actually had answered it, but you ignored that even though you quoted the answer.

No, I wasn't. With the possible exception of my final statement.

Again, point to exactly where in that post I was doing this.

[Syryana]

i townread dgb and scumread syr

Why? On both sides.

DGB because they're coming right in with pro-town play, going through the game and helping town despite a likely lynch on them

you because you sheeped and buddied the shit out of molla, voted obvtowns like talah even though you seem to townread them (#78), fakeclaimed mason twice, cced my townread, and you have been either buddying or defending spiffeh depending on his alignment despite him being somewhat scummy

I'm not going to bother with the meta point.

DGB coming in doing protown things? Like, the single post she made where she hasn't read the latter half of this 20 page game?

Are we even reading the same game? I've gone over the Molla thing exhaustively, I've never said at any point in my ISO I've thought talah was town, never fakeclaimed anything. As for Spiffeh, I still think he's town, and not a damned soul in this game other than Mala has even tried to explain why he's scummy.

DGB/Kid A/Talah scumteam. Game solved.

[Syryana]

you never thought talah was town but allowed him to tell you how to vote in #78?

That's right Kid. I routinely allow my vote to be public property. I'm not explaining this shit again.

lol ok, just admit you changed your mind. what's the point in telling a half-truth with weaselly statements like "I've never said at any point in my ISO I've thought talah was town"

Let me use simple words. As of post 78, talah was null. As of pretty much every talah post after that, talah was scum.

i know you never said it but the implication was there and it all went out the window once bbmolla put a vote on him.

Hue.

and read my posts against spiffeh if you want to know why he is in my scumpool, you were literally posting as i made them so i dont know why you aren't aware of them

I assume you mean this:

Hi you weren't committed to the firebringer wagon since you hopped off it the second it lost traction and defended the weird unvotes. You were also repeatedly asking fb for scumreads bcos you were begging for someone else to push on.

Which is even less convincing than Mala's gut argument.

Hey Huntress? You keep talking about putting a slant on things to make them look scummy? Look no further.

and do you not agree that scum in dgb's position would likely be self-preserving right now?

And what, pray tell, could possibly be more self-preserving than jumping into a game at L-2, claiming, then putting in minimum effort catchup posts?

Peditxholybatmanpedits: Reading shortly.

[Syryana]

Vorga Executive Officer Jailkeeper.

Man, this almost sounds like a scumteam flavor claim!

[Syryana]

I don't know the flavor at all

This is precisely my point.

[Syryana]

I will blame the mod post game if she made two town roles with completely different flavor names.

[Syryana]

What saddens me is that you're probably town.

If you actually believe this, do something about it.

[Syryana]

My wording is entirely different, so I can buy different wordings. It'd help to have a sample role PM on the front page, though.

Thoughts on DGB's role wording?

[Syryana]

don't mod-provided fakeclaims generally not conflict with actually present roles?

I think it far more likely she just read her scum role PM and blurted out the details to the group, no fakeclaim involved.

This explains both the weird executive thing and how she still knows the People of the Solar System line, which is in the first post.

[Syryana]

Kid A scum and DGB scum actually doesn't make a shit ton of sense. If Kid A sees DGB going down, why claim to have similar role PM?

Could have received similar fake claims I guess

This bothered me as well until I realized all Kid really did was negate the flavor bit. Which is far less dangerous for him-scum than I originally estimated.

I think people who are saying shit like PV is saying are probably scum who realized that in DGB vs. Syr, DGB loses so they're trying to deflect it elsewhere.

Fuck that. The wagon is good.

Given the supposition that DGB/Kid scum is a thing, you think it more likely the third partner is PV or talah?

Leaning talah personally. Don't think 4 scum is a thing in a 14p.

[Syryana]

That's way nicer than my response was going to be, Molla.

[Syryana]

Nos, FB, get yer asses up here.

We got us a DGB to lynch.

[Syryana]

Mini 1570 & Micro 346 had a Mafia RB'r v JK (x-shot) and a Mafia RB'r v JK/RB (x-shot)

I mean I wouldn't put it past fery to throw a curve ball here and do something different.

I mean, you basically said most of what I thought about it in these posts.

but they were x-shot and it's a micro.

Mini 1570 & Micro 346 had a Mafia RB'r v JK (x-shot) and a Mafia RB'r v JK/RB (x-shot)

I mean I wouldn't put it past fery to throw a curve ball here and do something different.

Also, claim nonsense aside, I'm really disappointed in you for not figuring out how ridiculously town I am this game.

[Syryana]

Fuck, did I quote the wrong ones?

Hang on.

[Syryana]

Huh. I guess I'm misremembering things again.

Anyways, 607 is relevant. Also, she'd have to make some hella swingy shit to balance out a town RB and town JK, neither of whom are X-Shot.

[Syryana]

Great my reads are rapidly changing, fml -.-

</3

Considering where your vote is right now, this can't be anything but good.

[Syryana]

My bad.

[Syryana]

Not all the mods here use NAR. It depends on personal preference, balance, design etc. It's always best to check with the mod if you need to know, rather than just making assumptions.

Vote: Ranger

because I don't want to lynch either DGB or Syryana toDay. Would also consider voting talah but there are no votes on that wagon at the moment. I don't think there is anyone else I'm ready to vote just now.

Why vote on a wagon that has a scumread of yours on it? Why is Ranger scum? What do you think of Kid A?

[Syryana]

Ranger is scummy for the way he completely identified with Syryana's reasons for voting Firebringer, even though they were flawed. Again, it's not a strong read but it's the best I've got at the moment.

I'm confused by this logic. Shouldn't Molla be objectively scummier than Ranger, as I read his mind by his own admission?

[Syryana]

lol Ranger is a she btw.

I don't care if she's neither or both.

And Mala was right. Would you kindly stop sitting around making useless comments and do something productive? You're not even voting anyone for chrissakes.

[Syryana]

Like if one of you and DGB has to be scum, you know I will vote you, right?

Id rather go in a very different direction.

Honestly if it's productive I don't care.

[Syryana]

@Spiffeh I think either you are I am mis-remembering order of events. Maybe me, my mind is little scattered right now.

You are. You voted DGB well after her catchup.

[Syryana]

Possibly not, but it's really easy for scum to push a claim-lynch on Day 1 onto the wrong option, even considering that one might be scum.
We need objective information on what happens overnight now that the claims exist.

I don't know what sort of overnight information you're expecting with a roleblock/JK claim.

I don't know they have a fucking potato monster with hocks of ham for arms that shoots poison fire-bees from its mouth whenever it posts in this thread.

This would be the most badass role ever.

@Mod, do this next game

There are role combinations that easily counter RB / JK.

I dunno, Ascetic redirector to start with? It's a theme.

Ascetic redirector is a counter to every PR and is kind of broken for scum to have. Strongman maybe.

Kid A scum and DGB scum actually doesn't make a shit ton of sense. If Kid A sees DGB going down, why claim to have similar role PM?

I think Kid A is town, if it helps.

I'd be comfortable with Huntress or talah for today, I'd need to be convinced for anything outside of that.

The only thing stopping me from agreeing is that DGB is very transparently scum and Syryana very much transparently town.

Why is Kid A town?

Syryana is the most obvious town player to have ever obvtowned.

Ever

. Throw in him doing CC that is suicidal for scum to make, and he is town.
ABR was posting like scum when he was in the game. DGB has done nothing to change that, relying on a crutch-claim to cruise by without actually doing anything. That said claim was CCed by Syryana only solidifies the scumread.

While I agree that I'm obvtown as fuck, what exactly makes me obvtown as fuck, disregarding the counterclaim? I don't think I've played with you before.

And if you think Syr is town for counterclaiming when it would be suicidal for scum to do so -- what makes you think that DGB-scum would blindly walk into a jailkeeper claim as scum?.

I mean, JK is generally a town role. Why wouldn't she?

what makes you think that DGB-scum would blindly walk into a jailkeeper claim as scum?

Because jailkeeper is probably her actual role, so she thought it would be safe to claim without being counterclaimed.

Given that I've already claimed daytalk for my neighbourhood, wouldn't you think it would be safe to assume scum also has daytalk?

Also several people have floated the idea that ffery might be giving safe-fakeclaims - do you think JK vs Roleblocker is a "safe fakeclaim"? Do you think the mod providing fakeclaims is plausible?

Are you ignoring what Ranger said here? She's saying DGB claimed her actual role, not a fakeclaim. Furthermore, why would daytalk affect what DGB claims?

[Syryana]

Bah. Good luck!

[Syryana]

Idk

You just reeked like scum ;-;

But my gambit also failed (I wasn't a vig lol)

To be fair, there was only one NK.

And scum would have needed to be far dumber than they were not to shoot me N1 XD

Though I RB'd huntress FWIW!

[Syryana]

Did the 18 hours til prod, 6 hours to post afterwards rule seem reasonable?

In a blitz game this seems reasonable. Since the clock gets stopped when searching for a replacement it's not all that bad. I prefer this to Spiffeh's suggestion though; 6 hours isn't likely to do anything for a lurker other than waste 6 more clock hours before finding a replacement. If you can't post at least once per 24 hours, don't sign up for a blitz game.

- Would a 48 hour day have been preferable to 72?

I liked the 72 hour day, but I'd also like to see how a 48 hour day works in practice. I do think the day should be longer than night, however.

- What about the 48 hour night? I thought it was better than 24 hours mostly so players could have downtime every few days.

This was nice and does tend to make for a somewhat less hectic game, but the name of the queue is Blitz after all! I'd like to see a game in a 48/24 format for Day/Night.

- Is there anything about the format that you would change?

See above.

- My design plans were to make the game design a little more townsided than I ordinarily would because of the short format. I also set things up so that early mass claim would hurt town more than mafia. Was this a reasonable design choice? Why or why not?

I liked your design overall and I think the scum loss here was primarily due to poor play on the scum's part; ABR mucked his slot up terribly and though DGB did a good job trying to save the slot ultimately it came down to the counterclaim. Town tried really hard to self-combust but Molla kept em in line, thank god. Also great shot on Spiffeh's part; this game could and probably would have gone differently had huntress lived.

[Syryana]

Scum got owned during the day anyway, but this setup seems to lean pretty hard towards town.

They did. And though town did have a lot of PRs scum also had a great deal of counterpower; jailkeeper for the townish claim and roleblockery (or even saving a scum from a vig), strongman beats both roleblockery and the one shot BP.

Sure it was swingy as hell, but I don't think it was terribly townsided.

Also,

@Ranger

, I loved your play here, but I am sort of curious: why the FACK would you watch Molla N1?

[Syryana]

I thoroughly enjoyed this game. Hiveminding with Molla and Ranger was fun as hell.

Don't know what the hell Kid was smoking when he thought the masons thing was an actual claim though.

[Syryana]

I still have no idea how that was all town

It's all in the style, dahling.

FWIW I thought you were the scummiest scumfuck ever until after I died <3

[Syryana]

Syryana you honestly were so fucking on the same page as me it blew my mind and almost made me think you were scum

And you would have felt like a complete jackass had you lynched me, which almost would have been worth it in itself

I thoroughly enjoyed all of you.

This game was goddamn delightful. Seriously, this is my first completed game in over two years and I want to thank all of you for making it the experience it was.

If Molla and Syryana hadn't seen it, I still would have been there, because my thoughts were mine. It just so

happened

that Syryana's thoughts were also mine. That's why I never explained; there was literally nothing I could have said that Syryana hadn't already covered, so my posting would've been redundant.

I think it was this this exchange between you and talah that got me to hard townread you. It is after all rather difficult to tell the difference between sheeping and "well damn, he's kind of taken my every reason and posted it already".

I have my own way of arriving at that so usually like to provide some extra content to allow other players to read me as town and prove myself as town.

I was a

watcher

.

Drawing attention to myself (by proving I was town) would've been a

hilariously

bad idea. Simply put, I could've 'proven' I was town fairly easily, but given my role, it was more beneficial for me to remain out of the spotlight.

Your play actually got me thinking that you were the doc N1

And yeah, watching me might not have been all that productive, but with a claimed RB and dead JK I felt it was sort of mandatory for scum to have a strongman. Also would have clued you in on who the doc was, if any.