Blitz 19 | Fire and Ice with Rooms | Endgame

[Radiant Moonlight]

Beep boop beep

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hiplop, Lane, Titus wants me to ask you whom you guys think is town.

[Radiant Moonlight]

I wanted to room with you exclusively because I liked your play in our last blitz together.

I had not read the game and it contained absolutely no comment on your alignment.

[Radiant Moonlight]

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

I am not scum and/or townreading Lane because he's absent or otherwise. I'm outright townreading him because he feels like he did in Diablo mafia when he was town and nearly got mislynched there.

I also consider Phantom to be one of the most likely wagons in the game to flip scum, so there's that.

Don't be criticizing my reads either; after all, I was one of the few people who didn't scumread you in our last game.

I'm not townreading you right now fwiw.

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Tell you what Ranger.

We're townreading Lane, you're townreading PC.

Would you lynch Rvkothe with us?

So: if you mislynch, regardless of whether I live or die, that explanation is useless. Maybe being proven right about it increases townreads on me, but that's, you know, reason for why I'd be dead.
If you unvote and try to lynch scum, regardless of whether I live or die, the explanation is guaranteed to survive until tomorrow because three players cannot die in a single night. You like it (you should), then good. You don't, you can waste tomorrow's lynch instead of today's.

OK, maybe, but we're not lynching Lane.

[Radiant Moonlight]

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Null, but if you're not going to work with me at all I'm not going to deviate from one of my major scumreads.

Itlepip neither.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Actually, maybe Itle.

Let me reread that, I had some bad gut pings.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Like, you're trying to put me in a position where you're expecting me to put blind faith in your reads which are utterly unexplained and contradict with mine.

I have a great deal of confidence in my own reads so if you want to get me to compromise you're either going to have to compromise yourself or provide some damn good reasoning.

Oh wait, you can't. Because of a decision

you

made.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Well your scumreads are ABSOLUTELY backwards given that they are based off of things that are fundamentally and provably wrong but which I can't discuss today.

If Phantom claimed doc and that he's going to doc you then you're an idiot for believing him.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Like if he wants to publicly doc claim that's fine because he will get night killed and we'll be done with him regardless of alignment.

I am not going to stall this wagon.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You claiming doc is the only interpretation I can come up with that makes sense as to why Ranger is townreading you right here.

It's not going to fly.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Lol ok

Is this really all you have to say?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I think phantom's responses seem like scum and that's all I got guys
Loool
And them peeps tryin 2 derail the wagon dun help either yo, makes me stick to the vote

Why should we not lynch you though?

[Radiant Moonlight]

WTF start? you have 2 votes and you go ahead and claim?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Then pull your head out of your butt and start producing content?

What are your reads on anyone who isn't Phantom?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Like Start is absolutely useless but I'm not sure he's scum.

I also _REALLY_ hate 336.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hey Ranger, you want a counterwagon?

Let's make a counterwagon.

VOTE: Peptobislawl

[Radiant Moonlight]

I agree that Start is absolutely useless but I don't think that makes it a good day 1 lynch.

[Radiant Moonlight]

If you do not vote Pepto I will revote PC and ensure that he gets lynched, fyi.

[Radiant Moonlight]

See that's why I think that you're scum though.

What does it

mean

that I'm 'blackmailing' Ranger?

Does it mean that I'm scum? Does it mean that I'm wrong?

Shouldn't you be trying to convince me that I'm misguided instead of passively commenting on my methods?

[Radiant Moonlight]

PC honey I'm not townreading you and am pretty effing far from it.

I'm just trying to see if I can get Ranger and myself on the same wagon.

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Phantom

lmk if you want to actually lynch scum Ranger.

Blackmailing is bad, it brings too much emotion into the game

wtf is this supposed to even mean?

and how is emotion bad? reading people's emotions is far more reliable than playing walls & cases.

why don't you percolate along you little java bean.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Well i mean you are blackmailing him, "Do as i say or ill kill that guy you like"

Second, i'm pointing out a somewhat shady method. It's not enough for a scumread on it's own but i don't like it.

If I point out several town games where I've said similar games will you that influence your thinking at all?

Third, can you elaborate on your scumread on me? I know you've pointed to some posts but this is the first time you've had some reasons for it.

You talk like you think like scum.

I don't know what this proof ranger has that phantom is town but i want to hear it before deciding about phantom. Start has been unhelpful from the, well start, so i consider him a decent lynch for D1. even if he's not scum, he's dead weight so far and that hurts town.

Are you Phantom's scumbuddy?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I don't personally like it, but if it's normal for you then welp. that's why it wasn't enough for a scumread.

I feel like if you were town you'd be a lot less laissez-faire about it.

I would think Ranger would be the more likely scumbuddy in a scum phantom situation, but maybe that's just me. If ranger really has no good reason to clear Phantom that's two likely scum right there. and if he does, thats two likely town there.

This is a really weird post. What's your reads on Phantom and Ranger?

[Radiant Moonlight]

But why, though?

Do you understand why I feel like scumhunting is not a huge priority for you?

[Radiant Moonlight]

So you're saying that you both

1) implicitly trust that Ranger's alignment is town

and

2) implicitly trust Ranger's judgement?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Like you're using Ranger as your excuse to not vote Phantom.

That doesn't sit well with me at all.

[Radiant Moonlight]

What if Ranger is town but Phantom is scum?
What if Ranger is scum but Phantom is town?

Your play has so many assumptions inherent in it that it makes me strongly suspect that you don't want Phantom getting lynched for reasons you're not telling.

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Since no one is doing Pepto, let's get this shit done.

[Radiant Moonlight]

You're again making so many assumptions.

Why are you assuming that Town!Ranger will be able to sway the crowd but ONLY if Phantom is scum?
Why are you assuming that Scum!Ranger won't be able to regardless of Phantom's alignment?

And why do I get the feeling that you want to lynch Ranger first either way?

[Radiant Moonlight]

I am here. Reading now. I am going to hate restrictions but they'll help me as a player. Highlights from players are helpful. If you townread our slot, feel free to reach out. :nod:

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ok, pepto, your reads atm.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Oh just saw a post on this page. Do call out behavior you hate from either head but be clear on your read. We both are using this hydra to get better. :nod:

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

I am not likely to mess to much with RC's vote unless deadline wagon unless Phantom is really town in my read through.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hey, can we flashwagon Pignash for being a useless lurksack?

Me and Titus can't really agree on any scumreads but we want him down for not posting and Titus also thinks he's highly likely to flip scum.

VOTE: Pignash

[Radiant Moonlight]

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

We should lynch Pignash. RC and I are sorting reads but his ISO is terrible.

VOTE: Pignash

[Radiant Moonlight]

Good morning everyone.

VOTE: Scorpious

Sorry guys. Will post later this evening.

I know. I just haven't caught up yet.

Get a room: ranger, phantom cobalt, flubbernugget

I can get behind this.

Hiplop, why such a negative reaction to FB so far? Doesn't seem different than normal to me.

Promises to catch up, never does. Asks one question that is a defense to a slot. Gets behind a room.

If you have a townread on this, I have a scumread on you.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

I find the lack of Pignash votes from unspecified persons disturbing.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hey, can we flashwagon Pignash for being a useless lurksack?

Me and Titus can't really agree on any scumreads but we want him down for not posting and Titus also thinks he's highly likely to flip scum.

VOTE: Pignash

Am I reading the deadline wrong or something

*points at clock*
*points at America on globe*
*points at bed*

Vote pignash for town pride.

Seriously, no one can have a townread on that.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

VOTE: Phantom

Making sure we get a lynch today.

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Wait a second.

Because I pushed someone they can't be in a scum faction with me?

[Radiant Moonlight]

With ten alive, the play SHOULD be to eliminate the flipped scum as early as we can, no?
'Cause this is just my ice-hunting.
I can go fire-hunting if that's the better play, but I think eliminating a faction has priority here, yes?

Eliminate scum, then worry about faction.

Pignash flubber are high possibility fire btw

[Radiant Moonlight]

im obvious town get outta here

I know but you're missing your love. You're just Hippy.

[Radiant Moonlight]

...Okay objectively speaking I suppose it leaves me, too, but I did think rkvothe was the doctor which is why I was so adamantly against that lynch.

What led you to believe that Rvkothe was doctor, exactly?

[Radiant Moonlight]

sunshine and lvoe mann

Ahoy matey!

If I set sail to the moon and totally block you, call me out on it k? Not psychic. Won't be offended.

Wanna lynch Pignash?

[Radiant Moonlight]

pignash is lynchbait in my opinion: a favored secondary lynch candidate to PhantomCobalt.

hiplop and Firebringer are

possible

, but unlikely.

The main thing making me hesitate here is that ice is the faction which killed Political Clout. He pushed Radiant a little, startfromtheheart quite a bit, and lane quite a lot, too. And itlepip.

...But he did vote Shadow (Peptobislawl's slot), too. And called rkvothe gross.

I'm not getting much, there, unfortunately.

IIoA. Boo.

But Firebringer has to stop the fairy godmother!

[Radiant Moonlight]

Given there's only two members of a scumteam and losing one loses half your power, and you were SERIOUSLY pushing the rkvothe wagon really, really hard?

We 100% discussed in 17 the fact that I'm somewhat notorious for bussing my partners.

Why couldn't I have done this here?

Why are you so obsessed with hunting the other Ice mafia? Why can't we just lynch scum?

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Wait a second. Because I pushed someone they can't be in a scum faction with me?

Given there's only two members of a scumteam and losing one loses half your power, and you were SERIOUSLY pushing the rkvothe wagon really, really hard?

Yeah.

I mean, you could still be fire, especially if fire was deliberately aiming for a crosskill, but you're definitely not ice.

What led you to believe that Rvkothe was doctor, exactly?

Remember how I said rkvothe was posting the same way he was last game I had with him? There he was also a protective role. I saw a lot of signs. Would have to check the iso for exactly where, but various bits and pieces here and there made me think rkvothe was breadcrumbing being the doctor.

That's a tip off to policy vote the slot. A real doc should never bread crumb in this setup.

[Radiant Moonlight]

GaR: Ranger & Radiant Moonlight

We want to do some sorting of your slot since we've both had a very negative impression of your posts so far today.

[Radiant Moonlight]

We're not immediately interested in voting / lynching her until we've had a chance to sort her.

Ranger, room?

[Radiant Moonlight]

This is multiball though.

Even if you think we might be scum we're as motivated as you to find one faction of scum.
On the flipside, we're concerned that you may be scum but are still interested in your help finding the other faction of scum.

And being able to scumhunt one faction away from the prying eyes of the other is good, no?

If you'd post in the room you might as well commit your vote to it, really.

get a room hiplop radiant moonlight & ranger

Not sure if we'd want Hiplop joining tbh.

I don't have a strong read on the slot anymore.

We'll see what Titus says.

-RC

[Radiant Moonlight]

Me & Titus will read Hiplop in the morning and see if we're interested in having him join us.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Well I will, I can't speak for her.

I go bed now.

-Radiant

[Radiant Moonlight]

Get a room hiplop rm
Get a room hiplop rm ranger

RC can change this

Gn.

[Radiant Moonlight]

We can't have both. I want a sexy room with hiplop and a three way.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ok guys I'm here. Sorry i was a jerk and didn't post enough yesterday. I'd welcome any room, I am easier to read one on one anyway and I am better at talking to one person than making big walls.

Anyone interested in a room with me?

Nah, you're engaging the thread content publicly or dying. I'm not going yo be in favor of voting to give you a room until you do.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

I'd be fine talking back and forth in the main thread too. I just don't think a big catchup post would be helpful for town.

What are you reads and thoughts on the game? Im confused why you can't say anything in the thread.

VOTE: pignash

I don't think this is lynch bait. I think it's a scared scum

Agreed.

VOTE: pignash

Flubber is also throwing up hard defensive buddy tells of pignash when pignash is worthless to the thread.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Lane, Pignash, can you please hammer our room?

[Radiant Moonlight]

Sure.

And don't consider rooms just a distraction; but we do need critical mass of them before they become all that helpful.

The first setup run with them was won basically off of the rooms allowing myself/Tere/Postie to townbloc hard and coordinate night actions.

@Plot, is it 1 or 2 rooms / person / day?

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[Radiant Moonlight]

I am not totally behind the Pignash lynch but am deferring to Titus's judgement in this instance, particularly since I already lost a game to Pignash simply because I interpreted his newbiness and genuineness.

Ranger lynch is OK I guess, but since Ranger is far far more likely to be Ice than Fire mafia I'm not sure if we should lynch her right now.

There should be a more interesting wagon out there.

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[Radiant Moonlight]

Flubbernugget, how do you feel about ranger finding doc crumbs in the posts he linked? Still bs? Cause I see nothing, but that could just because I see things differently than him

I still subscribe to the fact that Ranger is desperately trying to distance from their scum buddy.

Nah, you're fire scum with pignash there. The only other scum open is ice scum.

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I honestly don't see doc crumbs at all.

But if she saw doc crumbs, maybe she's fire and that's why she killed him?

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[Radiant Moonlight]

OK.

RC is on mute for the next 23 hours.

>.<

[Radiant Moonlight]

pignash is scum, I think too!

We should lynch Pignash or Flubber. Scum have enough to crosskill each other then.

~Titus

[Radiant Moonlight]

Hiplop's ISO is pretty townie.

Start is likely noob.

Pignash ISO is shit. Flubber defended him. One of pignash or flubber needs to be lynched. I am a ok with not lynching ice scum if we lynch one of pignash and flubber and ice scum knows they gotta shoot the other.

~Titus

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[Radiant Moonlight]

Man, you have some nerve trying to start a wagon on us right after we became voteless.

And wording it as a vote on Titus as opposed to a vote on the hydra.

Can you vote having people wagon the shit out of that?

[Radiant Moonlight]

No, I'm annoyed that it's horribly disingenuous of you to state a vote on the hydra by 'voting Titus', I'm annoyed that it's incredibly scummy of you to decide it's time to push the wagon right after we lose our vote and our ability to counterwagon you for a shitty push, and the fact that you're scumreading Titus at all when I think her posting has been pretty obviously town (though as I've said I'm not entirely on board with the Pignash/Flubber scumteam) and you've walled half your argument behind some weird speculation regarding something that should be obvious; lynching Fire > lynching Ice today. Scumreading her for that is ???

I, unlike Titus, am a huge fan of the Ranger wagon and I think this could easily be an attempt at creating a counterwagon, particularly when she's just reached L-1.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Sorry, VOTE: radiant moon that was actually just a blunder on my part. The main reason I was only talking about Titus was that it was a reaction to a Titus post and I don't necessarily think you agree

Also intent to give intent on Ranger, he still is a scumread of mine.

This is awful.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Psst.

Ice should be cross killing.

*looks surreptitiously at Pignash*

*coughs*

[Radiant Moonlight]

I think that Titus may have been on to something.

[Radiant Moonlight]

Ice, if you kill Pignash tonight, then we promise that we will leash you and not lynch you until Fire is dead if we catch you.

[Radiant Moonlight]

There's totally incentive for scum to crosskill here if Ranger flips anything but icescum.

If scum murder the last opposition scum, they don't have to worry about the nightkill.
If scum ice scum has one and fire scum has two, then they want to murder fire scum to not have to worry about be endgamed.

So yeah, shoot Pignash or Flubber ice if Ranger wasn't ice.