Hi there, this is my second game here
VOTE: Heat
In post 40, Frozen Angel wrote:
Are you questioning me?! or are you questioning the obviousness of me being town ...
In post 73, Amihan wrote:If it's not counted as a no lynch, we should at the very least try it. If nothing happens then you all can laugh at me, but until then just work with me here.
In post 102, Amihan wrote:In post 98, lilith2013 wrote:I'd lean towards something bad happening because of it.
Could you provide a reasonable example?
Theoretically, the mod's function is to hold information. The way the logic played out in my past experience was that lynching the mod would weaken that and release some information. Mind you, this wasn't our reasoning in lynching him (we did so because "lol why not"), but that was the mod's logic in choosingbefore the game startedto have a player exposed if that were to happen.
In post 169, lilith2013 wrote:I want to hear if ami has some kind of evidence related to her role (which I think she hinted at) leading her to believe this.
In post 185, Aristophanes wrote:I have got to know which Mario character has "1. Lynch the Mod 2.??? 3.Profit" In their Wiki
Regardless, glad this is all over!
I have to go back and get other reads since I've decided to hold off on Lil for now.
off the top of my head, Firebringer town, Flub Town, FA scumlean.
In post 190, Frozen Angel wrote:VOTE: Amihan
becuase all he can get from 7 pages is paranoia of me being white knighting him in all these pages :/
In post 258, Firebringer wrote:why is everyone null to you?
In post 262, Heat wrote:In post 260, BlueTrin wrote:In post 258, Firebringer wrote:why is everyone null to you?
Because we don't have much content yet, I still consider you could all be scum. So it's my way to say that you look slightly scummier or townish to me. It would be more interesting if people post their reads as we would get more content go through.
I am more interested in the associations at this stage.
Looking at associations before we have any flips really isn't that helpful imo
also we have 10 pages of content right now, you should be able to come up with some solid reads from that.
In post 263, Heat wrote:I'd like ranger to post her thoughts before anyone else votes her.
(also hi ranger! I'm quite excited to play with you!)
In post 308, Aristophanes wrote:There were a lot of null with modifiers.In post 304, Heat wrote:In post 301, Aristophanes wrote:I think he explained why pretty well, though I will maybe possibly eventually look at other D1s of his to see if he's always wishy washy like this.In post 296, Heat wrote:I do not like how BlueTrin came out of 10/11 pages with only null reads, with the most being leans. That doesn't sit well with me at all
But even with the amount of explanation he did, I'd expect something a bit more solid.
I took them as "light town" and "light scum" reads, which I make all the time in readslists.
Blue, can you confirm or deny that this is a proper marker of the strength of your differing null reads?
In post 215, BlueTrin wrote:IMHO, Ami's mistake sounds townish: I find it hard to believe that scum would go such lengths and try to vote the admin ? There s always the possibility that he could be stalling but that seems a bit far fetched.
In post 375, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 373, BlueTrin wrote:PEDIT, it is my way to say that I am not 100% sure,I already explained my choices and put my vote.
if you answered the blue questions ignore them if not please answer them
In post 385, Frozen Angel wrote:I know they were gut feeling but I know there must be something there that caused you to have those feelings.
what are they?
In post 388, Frozen Angel wrote:Your replace out won't solve this. I really doubt that RC wil give another time extension becuase of that ...
I can understand that you have RL ... as I have as well
Whenever you could talk about them I like you to talk about them. if you think you can't play the game then its your decision
In post 457, Amihan wrote:Jackal I see the same things I saw in Xtoxm: wagoning with the flow, and it didn't look like he really believed I was scum.
In post 139, Jackal711 wrote:Wow, why is this not lynched yet?
VOTE: Amihan
Even if town, which I don't think is likely, needs to be gone asap.
Oh and for the record I believe this isL-1
I mean look at that.
In post 560, Firebringer wrote:I don't like aristos fence sitting.
In post 536, Amihan wrote:I think we should limit our focuses today to people who were voting the Mason up to L-1. Not because that's scummy, but because it'll result in a lower chance of wagoning another Mason in case scum can't tell already who they are.
In post 557, Firebringer wrote:In post 555, Xtoxm wrote:you're trying to push that i'm scum based on my role
on top of that it's a role that's pretty much only ever given to town
Pretty sure I have seen a scum neighborizer, but its like 10:1 ratio on that I feel.
I have seen like a dozen and vast majority were town.
In post 547, Ranger wrote:Yeah, no kidding. I was convinced going into N1 that lilith was scum with [REDACTED - probably the second mason], pulling the same gambit from Blitz 1: she claimed withFirebringer wrote:We were really thinking Lilith might have been scum for claiming late in the day like that.outher mason buddy also claiming, with no actual indication that she was a mason.
I guess I can submit that as evidence for why I'm not scum? Because I (1) know her partner, and (2) wouldn't have nightkilled her when I'm scumreading her.
I couldn't get pignash lynched in Youtube Mafia D2, either, and I thought the same thing, but no. pignash was town there, I am town here.Firebringer wrote:Also thought Ranger was scum since we couldn't get that lynch at the end of the day.
When it's a targeted action, the only thing to question is the alignment of the targeter: Firebringer is still town, FA still town, so the only question is whether Xtoxm is town or not.Aristophanes wrote:I don't know about a Neighbourhood and a Mason group both being town.
In fact, I'd say the chances of the neighbourizer being scum are quite likely.
In post 565, Frozen Angel wrote:Someone asked what would have happened if you brought me to L0 last day ... I would get lynched.
I won't say anything about today unless I feel its necessary. I have the loved modifier with me though.
and about my posting style : sorry if its frustrating but thats how I post. That's a bit hard for me to change my posting style. But anyway I will try
In post 570, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 568, BlueTrin wrote:In post 565, Frozen Angel wrote:Someone asked what would have happened if you brought me to L0 last day ... I would get lynched.
I won't say anything about today unless I feel its necessary. I have the loved modifier with me though.
and about my posting style : sorry if its frustrating but thats how I post. That's a bit hard for me to change my posting style. But anyway I will try
I realised that you must be posting by phone now, isn't it ? That's why you cannot collate everything into one post, isn't it ?
Just disregard me if that's the case.
I also thought that you claimed to be unlynchable on day 1, am I misinterpreting ?
Got it, if you are not lying then you are almost surely town for obvious reasons.
Yep I phone post a lot
and I explained my lynchproof and explained that it has modifiers - read the last pages of last day.
In post 582, Firebringer wrote:In post 562, BlueTrin wrote:Flubbernugget leaning townish
I like the fact that he posts mostly about the game and tries to bring information to the table rather than fluff.
177
I didn't like the vote against FA without a reason 406
I don't see how you are town leaning on Flubber, that guy is always null for me.
In post 201, Xtoxm wrote:VOTE: Heat
Don't like his reaction to Fire's vote. Looks liked riled scum.
I like how Amihan responded to the info contradicting her beliefs, I also like how Aristo and Lilith have been thinking about things.
In post 552, Xtoxm wrote:In post 546, Aristophanes wrote:In fact, I'd say the chances of the neighbourizer being scum are quite likely.
this comment gives me hives
In post 618, Fraggernaut wrote:Pages 8- 11
BlueTrin's #199 seems cherry picked to fit a agenda, which is to vote lilith without any real actual reasoning.
In post 199, BlueTrin wrote:In post 73, Amihan wrote:If it's not counted as a no lynch, we should at the very least try it. If nothing happens then you all can laugh at me, but until then just work with me here.
I have been told in my first game, that no lynch is bad for us because lynches are the only weapon against the Mafia. But the newbie setup has alot of vanilla townies so it may be different here.
That was an interesting wagon, these people voted against Amihan
- Flubbernugget
- Frozen Angel
- Heat
- Aristophanes
- Jackal711
- lilith2013, but retracted as Amihan was at L-1
In post 102, Amihan wrote:In post 98, lilith2013 wrote:I'd lean towards something bad happening because of it.
Could you provide a reasonable example?
Theoretically, the mod's function is to hold information. The way the logic played out in my past experience was that lynching the mod would weaken that and release some information. Mind you, this wasn't our reasoning in lynching him (we did so because "lol why not"), but that was the mod's logic in choosingbefore the game startedto have a player exposed if that were to happen.
On the first page, the mod said that he has absolute power: i.e. this is a democracy where he has N+1 votes, so I do not think your argument is very strong.
In post 169, lilith2013 wrote:I want to hear if ami has some kind of evidence related to her role (which I think she hinted at) leading her to believe this.
This sounds like rolefishing.
This sounds like defense to not be accused of rolefishing.
In post 185, Aristophanes wrote:I have got to know which Mario character has "1. Lynch the Mod 2.??? 3.Profit" In their Wiki
Regardless, glad this is all over!
I have to go back and get other reads since I've decided to hold off on Lil for now.
off the top of my head, Firebringer town, Flub Town, FA scumlean.
I was wondering if he was trying to give breadcrumbs, but this sounds so silly. Is there a Mario character which benefits from lynching a mod ? I do not think so ...
In post 190, Frozen Angel wrote:VOTE: Amihan
becuase all he can get from 7 pages is paranoia of me being white knighting him in all these pages :/
Agree, this took epic proportions ... All this drama is diverting us from scumhunting.
Not much to analyse, but because Lilith joined the wagon and unvoted, and then Lilith looks like she was rolefishing and then corrected herself as it could have been interpreted as rolefishing.
VOTE: lilith2013
In post 619, Fraggernaut wrote:
BlueTrin's reads list in #256 really doesn't help town at all, most are null reads.
In post 256, BlueTrin wrote:A bit busy at work recently, but here are my reads:
- Amihan: this was absolutely hilarious in retrospect, he is either town or very ballsy scum, using balance of probabilities, I think he is more likely to be town.
- Aristophanes: null/town, I like his scumhunting. Also he is vouching for Lilith at the moment.
- Xtoxm: null/scum, very short posts
- Lilith2013: null/scum, some other people are vouching for her, but I didn't like her posts and her correcting herself like if she thought she could be accused of something.
- Fire Starter: null/town, a bit of scumhunting.
- Ranger: null/scum, too few posts.
- Frozen Angel: null, she is vouching for Lilith in 242, so I guess we may have an association here.
- Firebringer: null, I liked the posts about Ami, however there was not much afterwards.
- Heat: null, his posts are very short, he posted his gut read instead of bringing arguments to the table, however there seems to be some intention of finding scum whether it is true or not.
- Flubbernugget: null/scum, not much content, most of his posts were during the Amihan crisis.
- RadiantCowbells: scum.
On another note, in my previous game, someone made the same argument "even if town, good lynch" and this person was town: the argument was that it was better to have a lynch than no lynch because if someone is close to be lynched he would be suspected the next day and is likely to be lynched.
I don't know if I can agree with this though, maybe it is because I played too much Town of Salem and SC2 Mafia ...
In post 619, Fraggernaut wrote:Pages 11-18
BlueTrin's #373 could be seen as trying to conform to the will of town, to get in good with town.
In post 373, BlueTrin wrote:In post 308, Aristophanes wrote:There were a lot of null with modifiers.In post 304, Heat wrote:In post 301, Aristophanes wrote:I think he explained why pretty well, though I will maybe possibly eventually look at other D1s of his to see if he's always wishy washy like this.In post 296, Heat wrote:I do not like how BlueTrin came out of 10/11 pages with only null reads, with the most being leans. That doesn't sit well with me at all
But even with the amount of explanation he did, I'd expect something a bit more solid.
I took them as "light town" and "light scum" reads, which I make all the time in readslists.
Blue, can you confirm or deny that this is a proper marker of the strength of your differing null reads?
This is correct, I didn't realise that you would prefer light town or light scum rather than null/town or null/scum. If this is causing confusion, I can just use "light town" and "light scum". I am far from being 100% sure at the moment and this is my way to say it. In the end, I understand that you have to go with your strongest read even if you are not 100% sure.
My strongest scum reads were Xtorm and Lilith. For Lilith I had made already a post about why (199), it was the case. For Xtorm, it is that not only he posts very few but he joins wagons a bit late like if wanted to tip the votes once there was a few votes:
201
281
But for Xtorm, I like his questioning of Jackal in 235
8:20AM I need to go to work here, I will probably finish after the dead line but I will try to log on my phone at some point during the day.
PEDIT, it is my way to say that I am not 100% sure,I already explained my choices and put my vote.
Vote Count from #601, all three trying to claim its a scum neighborhood
Xtoxm (3):Aristophanes,BlueTrin,Firebringer
Look at that, three players real close to the bottom of my list all voting for me.
In post 592, BlueTrin wrote:
Xtoxm, am I getting this all wrong ? Is that because you are using day chat in your neighbourhood ? This would make sense so you could share opinions in a smaller group.
In post 639, Fraggernaut wrote:I also would love to see the case against me, cause there's not one other then the neighborhood situation which I had no control of when it comes to this slot. I sure as hell wouldn't of taken Firebringer and probably most likely not FA. One is probably scum which is why Firebringer jumped on it so hard.
In post 543, Firebringer wrote:In post 542, Aristophanes wrote:Was this neighbourhood set up at gamestart or is this new as of last night?
(Were you neighbourized or is this a setup thing?)
Xtoxm told us he had a 2-preshot game neighborize that he used on me and Frozen angel.
We had this during the pregame stages but didn't use it that much, and it was locked during the day. As it is now.
In post 637, Aristophanes wrote:VoteceptionIn post 636, Fire Starter wrote:
I disliked his vote on firebringer. So I voted him. You disliked that I disliked his vote so you voted me. Should I now vote you because I dislike you voting me for voting him?
In post 648, Aristophanes wrote:Just an FYI Blue, when putting something in a spoiler (like you tried above) if you use the "spoiler=" tag instead of the "spoiler" tag then instead of gettingthisyou will getSpoiler:
In post 643, Ranger wrote:Nothing in Fragger's posting has done anything to change my opinion of the slot.
In post 662, Fire Starter wrote:In post 655, BlueTrin wrote:UNVOTE: Fraggernaut
Want to give him some breathing space ... and decide after he explains himself.
The whole point of a vote is pressure. Giving him breathing room allows him to collect his thoughts and seem more town than he actually is.
In post 686, Heat wrote:I am not completely sold on fragger being scum, just because I think his catchup was solid and there was real town thinking behind his thoughts
that being said, the day is winding down and im not sure we would be able to swing a lynch to another candidate, plus we really need a lynch today.
In post 687, Heat wrote:also I'm a really strong townread of his? like I'm not going to lie, that makes me kinda uncomf bc im not strongly townread all that often
In post 693, Heat wrote:For some reason FA's post didn't register until I reread it
P. edit: xtoxm said "so we're scum", probably putting that in the wrong PT
In post 696, Heat wrote:Thats a question for FA.
In post 697, Fraggernaut wrote:Welp, FA continues to read me wrong in Mafia games. Nothing new there.
Of course I'm town. It's quite interesting that my top scum reads are death tunneling me so hard, with quite a weak case. Firebringer is pretty much obvscum to me, and I would kill him anytime. Fire Starter isn't much better themselves, he's going with the flow & sheeping from my other scum reads & it's really pinging out weird to me. I would tell my fellow town to go back & look at my catch up, where I've noted & highlighted several scummy traits from both of the Fires.
There's been several instances where they've done nothing for the game, & were just posting fluffy fluff & sneaking their votes onto wagons.
BlueTrin wrote:In post 686, Heat wrote:I am not completely sold on fragger being scum, just because I think his catchup was solid and there was real town thinking behind his thoughts
that being said, the day is winding down and im not sure we would be able to swing a lynch to another candidate, plus we really need a lynch today.
Heat, if you want to swing the lynch please do it now if you have good arguments.
I also believe that Fragger has 50% chances of being just rushing his posts and/or be defensive rather than scummy. His catch up has a few inaccuracies in my opinion but it could be attributed to the time in which he did his catch up: it was very quick, rather than manipulative.
In any case can we organise ourselves a bit better ? I don't want to have to check my phone every 5 minutes at work. It is 8:30PM, I will wake up in 11 hours.
In post 687, Heat wrote:also I'm a really strong townread of his? like I'm not going to lie, that makes me kinda uncomf bc im not strongly townread all that often
I think you are town ... is that bad ?
Who was being defensive BlueTrin? Also don't you think it's odd that the top four of my scum reads are trying to bury me with a weak ass case about a neighborhood, when I'm town sided? You of course being one of the ones attempting to bury me. I'm sure town will be looking pretty dumb when I flip town & probably still won't lynch Firebringer, Firestarter & Aristophane cause they haven't got the sack to do it. So go ahead & lynch me to see how wrong you are.
In post 724, Firebringer wrote:In post 722, Frozen Angel wrote:I worked around the slip for two days before revealing it.
what did you do? you were there as well
I thought it was a cheesy reaction test.
Didn't seem like a slip at all.
If this is your only reason for scum reading Xtoxm its very weak IMO
In post 744, Frozen Angel wrote:And I have so much work to do tomorrow. I'm going to sleep
Hopefully I will make it in last hours before deadline if he wasn't lynched by then
In post 827, Amihan wrote:If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.
In post 832, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 830, BlueTrin wrote:In post 827, Amihan wrote:If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.
Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?
With Amihan?
thats a possibility! But w8! I'm town Princess peach. So think again!
In post 833, Amihan wrote:In post 830, BlueTrin wrote:In post 827, Amihan wrote:If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.
Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?
Unless they'rebothscum, which is extremely unlikely.
We need a quick hammer though before Aristo bombs.
In post 836, Heat wrote:In post 833, Amihan wrote:In post 830, BlueTrin wrote:In post 827, Amihan wrote:If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.
Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?
Unless they'rebothscum, which is extremely unlikely.
We need a quick hammer though before Aristo bombs.
ari apparently bombs at night
In post 842, Heat wrote:In post 840, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 837, Heat wrote:why the fuck do we have two people pushing a quick lynch right now? we have all day. we need to use it.
I unvoted to avoid a quick lynch. who are you talking about ? FS and Amihan claimed to have a guilty on Aristo. and Aristo says FS lied about his flavor and he is voting him.
thats purely based on night actions. is there a problem with their votes?
FS asked why we hadn't quicklynched ari. Amihan wants to quicklynch him too
In post 844, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 834, BlueTrin wrote:We don't know if you are really Peach do we ?
I won't lie such a matter in day 1.
lets go through this!
if I'm scum , FS is definitely scum as well. and he is definitely a flavor cop (becuase of that bomb thing was so close to what aristo claimed) so I claimed to be peach for no reason during day 1 and took the risk for being hunted by a possible town flavor cop ?!
In post 852, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 848, BlueTrin wrote:No cop would investigate you first though ?
I'd have investigated null reads and you were in my town reads... This game is so confusing, any actions could be read as town and scum differently.
All the favor cops should definitely investigate me at night 1! that was obviously necessary.
he claimed he tested my claim in night 1 so that part is believable.
In post 861, Heat wrote:should I wait until ami explains?
In post 865, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 864, BlueTrin wrote:In post 861, Heat wrote:should I wait until ami explains?
It depends if you believe Ami is scum ...
no its not
if he is scum then we definitely need to w8 to see his claim.
if he is town and heat is town , this maybe a misunderstanding and can be tolerated after his explanations without forcing heat to claim.
if he is town and heat is not that claim is basically lie and timing won't matter becuase its already prepared.
so we w8 for Amihan explanations first
In post 872, Aristophanes wrote:Or maybe you and FS are scummates both claiming guilties and fear mongering.In post 833, Amihan wrote:In post 830, BlueTrin wrote:In post 827, Amihan wrote:If Aristo was town, scum would have hammered by now.
Unless Frozen Angel and Firestarter are scum ?
Unless they'rebothscum, which is extremely unlikely.
We need a quick hammer though before Aristo bombs.
I explode, by choice, at night.
You are both claiming guilties on me.
Ami, claim your guilty.
In post 878, Aristophanes wrote:Inb4 Ami is asking for a fakeclaim.
In post 883, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 880, BlueTrin wrote:In post 878, Aristophanes wrote:Inb4 Ami is asking for a fakeclaim.
Can scum ask the mod for a fake claim ? That's a bit cheating ...
ah thats for preventing a game break by character claims and completly normal.
In post 885, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 884, BlueTrin wrote:Can you explain to me what you just said ? I don't get it ...
If the claim does not add up, then that's their own fault ?
sure.
imagine a mario mafia game. we know all the good flavor people like Peach , Rosalina , Mario , Yoshi and ... are town and scums have bad characters like bob-omb.
we could just character claim in day 1 and get 1 or two counter claims just based on that if they couldn't ask for fake characters. I myself like to put those fake characters in role pm - as the characters that are not in game and they can use as fake claims.