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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:16 am
by Thestatusquo
In post 4103, Davsto wrote:Also I think this is just a really lazy alternative to just thinking up a new title for Wraith tbh
This is fair, I'm open to brainstorming about this, but I just want to reflect that the torch for "ranting about marxism" on the site has definitely been passed. This isn't really a thing bro does but is definitely a thing wraith does at any given opportunity.

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:16 am
by Psyche
5 days

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:22 am
by Psyche
Think Wraith should maybe get his own title instead of getting Bro’s. “Expert Marxman” feels uninspired by itself, esp wo some ties to the sharpshooter allusion in the title. Remain happy reverting BRO’s title though.

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:24 am
by Thestatusquo
Sure, so lets brainstorm. Theres a specific speakeasy post that I think sums up wraiths personality and I think would be a great jumping off point for thinking of a title, but I'm waiting on the user who posted it's permission to post it here.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:26 am
by Firebringer
Did either accept the change?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:20 am
by animorpherv1
No because it's stupid.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:20 am
by Davsto
Also I think it's pretty uncool of psyche to ask Bro directly if he wants his title removed (as that seems like what is happening?), saying it's weak, as I think that puts pressure on Bro to give up his title.

I think removal of titles should only be done by request of the person themselves and that the title fairy actively going to someone and asking them permission to remove it is a bit beyond what the fairy's role on site should be.

Their role is to approve and control new titles, not to go around old ones and make sure they fit their standards.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:40 am
by Psyche
meh, bro's a big boy

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:49 am
by Davsto
I just really think this is a rather bad precedent to be setting and that I find it a little dodgy of you to be doing that as a title fairy

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:50 am
by Cheetory6
careful dav you don't want psyche to take your title away do you?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:06 am
by animorpherv1
In post 4132, Psyche wrote:meh, bro's a big boy
Exactly. BRO knows what he wants. If he wants his title removed, he'll ask for it.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:12 am
by Psyche
it's ultimately his call, but it's a communitarian institution he's not the only one with a vested interest in the issue
the motion has gotten the requisite number of nths and i disagree that there's anything inherently wrong with it

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:35 am
by vonflare
that's a good question psyche

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 am
by Davsto
In post 4136, Psyche wrote:it's ultimately his call, but it's a communitarian institution he's not the only one with a vested interest in the issue
the motion has gotten the requisite number of nths and i disagree that there's anything inherently wrong with it
Nope.

People have asked for Bro's title to be given to Wraith? Sure. But no-one, with you saying that you don't want Wraith getting that title, has actually said "oh yeh well I'm still all for Bro outright losing his title even if Wraith isn't getting it".

Also I strongly disagree with the idea of a user being asked to give up a title they already had just because some people voted for it, but that's not the point at hand.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:57 am
by Davsto
The people voting for Bro to "lose his title" were doing so because they wanted Wraith to have it, not at all because they think it is a weak title. The claim you make in that post that people have supported what you're doing is clearly incorrect.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:09 am
by Not_Mafia
Meh, Bro has two other titles to falls back on

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:11 am
by Psyche
sry, i suppose the topic we're talking about is sort of ambiguous let me explain
the motion with 7 nths involves removing bro's current title and giving it to wraith; all i've been saying lately is that i see nothing wrong in principle with any part of that motion and will implement it if the relevant parties consent
i've only lately suggested that maybe a different but similarly themed title would be better for wraith; it's so far resulted in no actual noms and is atm only more loosely tied with the status of bro's title

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:19 am
by Davsto
Ah, okay. Fair enough. It was that confused me with that sentence on the end, I thought you were advocating for/initiating a removal of Bro's title even if we got a different one for wraith if that makes sense. I think I'm alright with the concept of a title switch in that sense?

But I will anti-nom regardless as I feel it's a really lazy solution to giving Wraith a title.

Like, even something like "On Your Marx", a double meaning with how he's always prepared to start talking about his views.

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:20 am
by Davsto
(To make it clear, nom Wraith for
On Your Marx
)

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:25 am
by vonflare
I do not think Wraith deserves a title for spamming marxism all over the site, as it will likely encourage him to continue

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:26 am
by Creature
In post 4144, vonflare wrote:I do not think Wraith deserves a title for spamming marxism all over the site, as it will likely encourage him to continue
Like doot?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:27 am
by vonflare
yes exactly

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:38 am
by Annadog40
Then why did you Nth Thestatusquo's original motion to give Wraith the title for marxism spamming?

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:50 am
by vonflare
at least I'm consistent in my inconsistency

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:13 am
by InflatablePie
In post 4143, Davsto wrote:(To make it clear, nom Wraith for
On Your Marx
)
2nd


Alternatively, nom BRO and Wraith for
Groucho and Chico(/Zeppo/Gummo)