In post 2169, Aristophanes wrote:Don't worry Enter, there's no way a title like this ever gets approved.
Gobbldy, think a little more unique. What makes Skitter Ms. Mafia? Why is she so prolific? What about her play makes her stand out?
She’s the only player on the site that still reliably wins as scum anymore.
Is your goal here to trash the site's playerbase by inventing some brightline categories? Even if she's the highest winrate player on site, I've seen her lose recently so she doesn't have a perfect or essentially perfect winrate inherently worthy of special treatment.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
In post 2169, Aristophanes wrote:Don't worry Enter, there's no way a title like this ever gets approved.
Gobbldy, think a little more unique. What makes Skitter Ms. Mafia? Why is she so prolific? What about her play makes her stand out?
She’s the only player on the site that still reliably wins as scum anymore.
Is your goal here to trash the site's playerbase by inventing some brightline categories? Even if she's the highest winrate player on site, I've seen her lose recently so she doesn't have a perfect or essentially perfect winrate inherently worthy of special treatment.
Yeah, also I disagree with the premise that Skitter is the only player that wins reliably as scum.
In post 2171, gobbledygook wrote:She’s the only player on the site that still reliably wins as scum anymore.
The fact that you have people disagreeing with you on this tells me you're wrong.
No one has disagreed with the basis for my title recommendation. They've disagreed with the title itself.
In post 2174, Equinox wrote:The thing is that "excellent scum record" is not a distinguishing feature in and of itself. It may be an exceptional quality in someone in a given generation, but there's usually at least one of those players in each mafiascum.net generation. Having a title strictly for being good at playing scum doesn't make those users stand out from the other top-tier scum players of mafiascum.net history unless there is another well-known defining characteristic. That may be why you are getting push-back on this title specifically.
I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make here. I agree that a title should be excellent scum record + personalization. I suggested the title to start discussion about skitter.
In post 2169, Aristophanes wrote:Don't worry Enter, there's no way a title like this ever gets approved.
Gobbldy, think a little more unique. What makes Skitter Ms. Mafia? Why is she so prolific? What about her play makes her stand out?
She’s the only player on the site that still reliably wins as scum anymore.
Is your goal here to trash the site's playerbase by inventing some brightline categories? Even if she's the highest winrate player on site, I've seen her lose recently so she doesn't have a perfect or essentially perfect winrate inherently worthy of special treatment.
How did you interpret my praise for skitter's scum game as an insult to the general ms.net player?
In post 2175, Enter wrote:Why is Skitter good at mafia is a reasonable starting place.
She is exceedingly good at talking her way out of getting lynched. One thing I have noticed about skitter's scum play is that she really only gets lynched due to mechanical guilties.
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In post 2178, gobbledygook wrote:I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make here. I agree that a title should be excellent scum record + personalization. I suggested the title to start discussion about skitter.
To be clear, I am not saying that skitter30 should not be getting a title. The point I am making is that the reason you gave for "Ms Mafia" as quite generic. About every 2-3 years, we get someone who is extremely and reliably good at playing scum and not all of them get titles. RadiantCowbells had a reputation for a high scum win rate, if I remember correctly, and he still doesn't have a title despite winning the Don Corleone Award five years ago. What is it that distinguishes skitter30 from Flavor Leaf or RadiantCowbells or MagnaofIllusion or Alisae or Katsuki or zMuffinMan or Sotty7 or Talitha . . . I can basically go on and on with people who have stellar scum reputations.
Edit: I probably should step out of this discussion. My intention was to explain what the push-back was, not to be involved in deciding whether or not skitter30 deserves a title.
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to contribute something actually meaningful instead of pedantic to the conversation, something that distinguishes skitter from other people who have great scum reputations (although this isn't necessarily tied to being scum) is her proficiency at lylos. very few people on the site actually go back to review things when they make it to lylo, and even fewer do it with the attention to detail that skitter does. multiple people have remarked / noticed this (to my knowledge), i bring it up now because i couldn't really work it into a good title with the thought i gave it but maybe someone else can
In post 2182, northsidegal wrote:to contribute something actually meaningful instead of pedantic to the conversation, something that distinguishes skitter from other people who have great scum reputations (although this isn't necessarily tied to being scum) is her proficiency at lylos. very few people on the site actually go back to review things when they make it to lylo, and even fewer do it with the attention to detail that skitter does. multiple people have remarked / noticed this (to my knowledge), i bring it up now because i couldn't really work it into a good title with the thought i gave it but maybe someone else can
"Dean's List", or "studious"?
Both have implications of putting in the effort to achieve greatness, which seems to be a theme.
additionally, skitter is verbose and mellow in her responses, both of which give off an air of intellect, imo
Walking a tightrope is scary, involves handling a lot of pressure and the circus context kind of implies a degree of theatricality/performance.
Someone who does that for a living excels at managing those three things which I think ties in well with the idea of someone who is good at LyLo.
If you succeed you win/live, if you fail you lose/die, which I feel is kind of apt for the description of how LyLo can tend to play (at least when it gets down to final three).
? It has the idea of being so good at disguising yourself (and deceiving others) that you're quite literally someone else, and fits the many alts just as well.
I think it has the extra layer of how MariaR is usually very nice and banter-y but can get really serious when she needs to, though I guess that is not as specific to her
What about "Veiled?" Or something along those lines. Veils have cultural ties with innocence which is a pretty typical read for MariaR even when she's scum, and also physically hide distinguishing characteristics, which somewhat related to how MariaR seems to be somewhat reserved when it comes to revealing her opinions and reasoning
"Mask," "masked," and "masque" all work along this train of thought as well, to varying degrees of success.
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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