[VARIANT] Lovers and Losers

[LlamaFluff]

Doesnt this still suffer a bit from moves being forced and optimized?

D1 should be massclaim and then taking out a lover pair (best case 4 confirmed town for remainder of game vs 2 if going from VT pool, more opinions from more town is better)
D2 goes to VT pool no matter what happened D1 (either all lovers are confirmed town, or you are making a move that if hits town provides more information for final days. Argument that 1/3 v 1/2 odds doesnt make sense as you need to target VT pool D3 if game is still going following taking out second lover pair)

[LlamaFluff]

Also if you limm a vt and a town lover pair, town loses by design

That needs to be made clear then through updated win condition (sample roles are probably needed). Right now technically it would just be a draw (VT, MG, Town Pair, Mafia Pair) and in that spot mafia still hasnt achieved win condition (more than one VT or Town Lover pair eliminated). I would add in something about how deadlines work too, like are days indefinite, after X real life days its plurality/scum wins, etc. I doubt most people would go for making the move, but I would include confirmation has to as Scum or Town Lover include who your partner is.

[LlamaFluff]

I would still create new role PMs. Even a trial should be free of any loopholes, and what happens with deadlines needs to be addressed, unless you intend days to potential last for months. Not that its wrong, but something needs to be setup as its nightless.

[LlamaFluff]

I think how deadline gets resolved will be important. Lets just say you make it 10 days for D1 and at deadline its a 4-4-1. What happens? What if its at 4-3-2? 3-3-3?

Its not going to be overly important, but actually can effect balance just a touch.

[LlamaFluff]

Yeah its just minor things that need to be cleaned up because otherwise it creates an issue in the middle of the game if you are tweaking win conditions/deadline rules even if you can say the implication was there.

[LlamaFluff]

I dont think it should be, but by current win conditions it is.

I could see the argument that VT/Town Lovers going back to back starting the game is a scum win, but it role PMs need to make it clear because rules implies scum activate the win condition at VT, 1x Town Lover pair, 1x Mafia Lover pair despite being down 3-2 player wise.