[OLD] Open/Semi-Open Design Challenge

[AngryPidgeon]

9 player setup:

Son of the Cop
If the miller dies, the cop may not investigate at night anymore.
2 Mafia Goons
1 Town Cop
1 Town Miller
5 Vanilla Town

I liked this setup F2F. Even if it screwed me as scum
Edit: and the little tidbit of flavor you added here makes me like it even more.

[AngryPidgeon]

Lovers' Gambit ~10p

2 Mafia Goons

1 Lover
1 Lover (Innocent Child)
1 Jailkeeper
5 Vanilla Town

After the role cards are dealt, the moderator will ask one of the lovers to flip his/her card over and reveal his/her role.

My only issue with this setup is it looks rather town-sided at a glance (especially considering F2f). But basically you have 3 confirmed town roles and a Jailer is already preeeetty strong with only 2 scum. I'm not sure what I'd do to change that.

[AngryPidgeon]

+Rolecop or not, what do you think AP

Thats a tough call. I think I approve? I'm trying to think if there is anything else I would consider. I'd say make it a 1-shot rolecop, but that is really the same strength considering the size of the setup and it wouldn't be worth adding that restriction in because its so minor balance-wise then (imo).

I've been thinking about this for awhile and kinda ran through some numbers...Not sure? I think I support it.

[AngryPidgeon]

I can always change the jailkeeper to doctor.

That gives us... 52:48?

That sounds better to me off the top of my head. I think optimal Jailer play in this setup is to try and aim for people making the NK anyhow.

[AngryPidgeon]

IIRC there were stats from 2 of4 showing that jailer v role cop in 7:2 actually had a surprisingly high town win %. The main issue is it provides utility and also strong investigative results, ESPECIALLY on a d1 scum lynch

[AngryPidgeon]

Can we have a role that always flips in one of the setups?