[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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My reaction ix mixed there. The series of scum hunting sounds good, but the wager is not.
Do you realize that when players are closing to the 30 points, everybody will wager everything, removing the strategic part of the game?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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Let's try this setup
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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In post 8713, JasonWazza wrote:and feels like it should be something played in a face to face/Marathon sort of setup more than a Mafia setup.
In fact i found the micro i was in that was like this but with actual mafia kn
Possibly.. I was inspired by Jungle of Bullshit"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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I think if you make this a day-start, this will be very optimal.
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Let us try this
Last edited by Realeo on Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:22 pm, edited 2 times in total."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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Idiotism at my part. It's miswording.In post 8769, JasonWazza wrote:So is this only possible at day start (as in 24 hours sort of thing) or is it all day and you misworded?
"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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I'm going to defend and discuss some point.In post 8771, JasonWazza wrote:The best idea is to town hunt because of the need for only 5 touches, i'm sure there would be a way to break it by either forming blocks (a 4 man town block is an instant win for town a 3 man block is a win for town if your certain they are all town), or touching in a specific order.
1) I believe you're under looking the difficulty of having 5 people town readingeach other. 3 people townreading each other is manageable, 4 town townreading each other is tricky. 5 town townreading each other?
I believe 5 people is the magic number here. It's tough, but it's not the only winning objective they can pick. The bloc system that cfj and Mina proposes is the only winning condition, so I found it too strict?
2) And remember it only takes 1 incorrect town read screws it all.
3) Scumread is still necessary. If they lynch and the lynched guy flip zombie, they can backtrack who is sick and healthy and do crisis management.
This is going to be a subjective discussion. I'd like to hear your experience on townreading.
Question: Does setup that puts emphasis on townreading solely is bad?Last edited by Realeo on Thu Jun 02, 2016 1:39 am, edited 1 time in total."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Ew...Where is the closest trash bin?In post 8774, mith wrote: 7:2 Nightless is already an EV of 56% for the town"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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I was considering to make the game with night kill, but I realized that if they decided to make it night kill, they can intentionally kill the health player to satisfy "kill all sick player to win""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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That's a smart plan; they can either risk the towniest to get the win or play it conservatively. But the downside that I see is it will be more "hintful" than the current bloc system.
Let's try this. The zombie can kill the healthy player; while all player at the same time give a priority list during night. If the zombie kills a healthy town, the healthiness willsecretlygo to the sick town at the most top of the dead's priority list so the sick town becomes healthy town.
Eg. Jason Wazza is a healthy town killed with priority list of cja>Realeo>Mina>mith>shos.
Cja is zombie, so he is passed.
Realeo is healthy town, so he is passed.
Mina is a sick town, so Mina secretly transforms from sick town to healthy town.
Since this is somewhat "mountainous", Project EV says this is 29.8% town win. Whether the actual EV is higher due to the 10 touches or lower due to nightkill is somewhat a mystery..."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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The thing that I'm having trouble is: when the game is being modded, how the townbloc creation system works?
Do players make their list of "I nominate mith, Realeo, cfj, JasonWazza and RC for townbloc of 5" and it takes 5 vote to go on? If it takes this approach, I am afraid that it may takes forever for the people to vote ("JasonWazza is town? Are you nuts? Go for N instead! "N is scummy as hell!") and when they're finished, they will be not enough time to scum hunt for the lynch.
For instance: We played Micro 601 with 8:1, and when the game ends, the biggest "implicit" town bloc we created was 4 people? This was 1 sk, what if 2 mafia?
The cute thing aboutthe touch systemisflexibility. Ok, so you can't make a townbloc of 5? Sure,no problemo. Just make a townbloc of 4, then have each person of the townbloc touch a person outside the townbloc. If the gang of 4 all did it correctly, that's 6 + 4 = 10 points. If the gang of 4 is correct but someone messed up, they still get 6+ points for the 4 townbloc.
Both strategy has their ups and downs. If they go for the townbloc of 5, it will be more informative and they can contain the sickness inside the bloc. If they go for the townbloc of 4, it will be more easy to go for 10 points (in D2) as long as they got the townbloc of 4 correct. If the townbloc of 4 is already wrong, it's game over.
Q: Why people keep calling it mountainous? Can they just call it "classic" or "vanilla"?
EDIT: Now I need to consider the EV for 4 townbloc."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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Extending the deadline, that's an interesting idea. All the game I played had static deadline that it didn't occur to me for dynamic deadline.
@JasonWazza: It should be no.
Now I need to find a paper to find the possibility the strategy town picked. It didn't occur to me that there is strategy that prevent auto-loss."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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Let's try this: an improvement of Zombie Game.
So classic 7:2 is
Win by the townbloc: 16,66% (C(7,4)/C(9,4)*3/5)
Win by normal scenario: 29,8% * 83,33% = 24,89%
So the EV is 41,55%, just like the bus coalition. To townbloc of 4 or townbloc of 5, that is the question."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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My first approach was to run a computer simulation to calculate the EV, but the strong man and the 1 shot vig causes me to hiccup when coding.In post 8788, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Un named BP variant
1x BP One Shot Vig
2x Even Night BP Townie
2x Odd Night BP Townie
1x Mafia Goon
1x 1 Shot Mafia Strong Man"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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I have a question. Does a setup with EV of town/mafia/SK = 33/42/25 can be considered balanced enough?"The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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I thought that I should make it as even as possible (33/33/33) because a lot of people start to hate SK for being impossible like skill-less survivor."The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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Realeo Jack of All Trades
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I may as well throw in the idea I have in my hea
EV:
According to computer simulation--The EV is 33% for Town, 42% for Mafia and 25% for terrorist.
Caveat:
It is for Terrorist's favour to not kill Town Roleblocker to help Terrorist compensate for Mafia. When both mafia are eliminated, Town Roleblocker essentially become Named Townie and it is in Terrorist's favour to kill him.
In a 3 way lylo with Roleblocker, it is wise for Roleblocker to claim.
""""The debate on whether short multi postings or a long wall of post is good or not is like a debate on gun control--we would never understand each other and we have to make peace with it." -Realeo
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