[SETUP]: two-fold jk9++
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[SETUP]: two-fold jk9++
Inspired by two-fold c9++, but (as with standard jk9++ vs c9++) with much different role distributions.
I'm thinking 17p instead of 15p as well, and letters
T 1-50
I 51-65 trackers
D 66-75 docs / bps
K 76-85 vig / vengeful
H 86-90 hider / commuter
B 91-95 role blocker
R 96-100 role cop / gunsmith
I'll have the more detailed breakdown in the next couple days. Would love to have a few eyes on it to see if it's reasonably balanced and looks like fun to play.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Current draft:
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^ now out of dateLast edited by mhsmith0 on Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:04 am, edited 1 time in total.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Just did two runs of that format:
Run #1
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Run #2
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*notes: anti-werewolf vig is "attack dog", anti-werewolf roleblocker is "tranquilizer". Think the rest are obvious.
I think both runs of that structure seem pretty reasonable to me; a decent amount of town power, but no super OP roles, and plenty of ways that town powers can get in each others way. And on the flip side, there's some protection on both scum factions from NK shots, but there's still a pretty decent amount of potential vulnerability too.
PS Probably need to add a rule that says that traitor/defector can't draw a killing role, that'd be too unbalanced.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Because I'm me, I've been playing w format a bit. Bumped it up to 18p, and tweaked letter ranges to be:
Range Letter
1-50 T
51-65 I
66-80 D
81-90 H
91-95 K
96-100 R
and tweaked it so it's full strongman instead of 1-shot (so you pick ninja to beat the trackers or strongman to beat the docs/bp's), and adding a rule that traitor/defector can't rand a K role (and of course hiders can't rand any other power roles since they don't do anything else, though 1-shot commuters can). I also did a third run of rand #s for the luz. Now you get:
Run #1
Spoiler:
Run #2
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Run #3
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Or to summarize:
Rand 1:
Mafia: 1-shot BP; Goon; Roleblocker OR Role Cop
Werewolf: 1-shot BP; Ninja OR Strongman; Defector (with tracker rand let's say)
Town: Doc, 1-shot BP, Stalker, Guardian, 8 VT's
Rand 2:
Mafia: 1-shot BP; Goon; Roleblocker OR Role Cop
Werewolf: 1-shot BP; Goon; Roleblocker OR Role Seer
Town: Vigilante AND Guardian, Tracker, Tracker, 1-shot Tracker, Guardian, 1-shot BP, Stalker, 5 VT's
Rand 3:
Mafia: 1-shot BP; Ninja OR Strongman; Traitor (with stalker let's say)
Werewolf: 1-shot BP; Roleblocker OR Role Seer; Ninja OR Strongman
Town: Witness Protection (anti mafia hider), Guardian, 1-shot BP, Zoophobe (anti WW hider), Role Seer, 7 VT'sShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Created a setup page for this format. Needs some cleaning up of presentation but I'd really love to get feedback on the setup itself.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _JK9%2B%2BShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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For the curious, I've tweaked a few things. Most notably, since it seems the hider mechanics are a bit over-complex, I've subbed out "H" and subbed in "M" (IC, Mason pair, and anti-werewolf equivalent). I've also clarified role cop / role seer so that they can pick up the non-incriminating mafia/werewolf BP/Elder powers (since they also double as town powers and can be used as a non-lying claim for a scum/wolf under pressure). So a role seer can pick up werewolf powers like JOAT, roleblocker, stealth wolf etc but can only see vanilla or 1-shot elder from mafia, and role cop is the inverse.
I also cleaned up formatting a bit and tweaked some language ("Magicsmith" sounds cooler than "Fangsmith", and then it just suggests that vigs/vigilantes have magic guns or something since they get picked up by both gunsmith and magicsmith).Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Lol no worries. I'm playing w the details a bit, might also rename it since there no longer a jk lolShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Technically you can get zero. Unlikely tho. But 12 townies, and every non-T letters is a PR. Just a question of how many T's come up for mafia and wolf rand, and how many townies get double PRs.
Tho honestly I've not been putting a lot of effort into the setup, I've kinda passed on being super into multiball stuff. I might do a single ball 17p vig-centric rolling setup in the near future, have worked on something like that on and off.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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yeah. not sure how balanced it really is on either end, i think it's prob ok but balancing multiball is always weird anywayShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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What happens if more than 12 Ks, Ms, and/or Rs are rolled? In that scenario, there would be 3 scum on each team and 12 townies, but none of the townies would be allowed to have more than one module and there would be more than 12 modules.ShowCheck my wiki for my meta.
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Nit sure? It’s been like a year since I made this don’t really remember any more lolShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Easiest solutions I can think of would be to either combine some of the Vigilantes, make three Ks result in a Vengeful Vigilante and a Vengeful instead of two Vigilantes and a Vengeful, or do what was done with M and R and reroll if you get more than two of any one of those letters.ShowCheck my wiki for my meta.
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My recommendation to improve this setup for when I run it in the future:
A max of two Ks per alignment source are allowed.
If more than 10 Ks, Ms, and/or Rs are rolled, scum may not choose to gain daytalk.ShowCheck my wiki for my meta.
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