[SETUP] Live and Learn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:55 am

4 os lynchproof on-lynch IC town
3 vengeful mafia
nightless
town wins if all mafia are lynched, and loses if the amount of ICs is equal to the amount of mafia

Is this town/scumsided?

Mathdino · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:31 am

please explain a scenario in which mafia win

i do not know what "os lynchproof on-lynch IC town" means

why doesn't town just lynch everyone and win

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:40 am

I just realized mafia has an exploit in not being incentived to kill an IC
mafia win when there are as many ICs as mafia
os lynchprrof on-lynch IC is a townie that when lynched doe not die and gets IC confirmed.
town can't just lynch everyone because they have 3 mislynches

yessiree · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:43 am

super scumsided because mafia cannot lose the moment they get 1 mislynch

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:45 am

Yeah I noticed they could just kill VT
a clause that they have to kill ICs if one is alive should remedy it

yessiree · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:50 am

probably also need to make the vengekill compulsive because mafia could bus 2 goons with no vengekill, then play the 1v4 LYLO game with more ML targets

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:04 am

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:17 am

4 os lynchproof on-lynch IC town
3 compulsive vengeful mafia (must kill an IC if one is alive)
nightless
town wins if all mafia are lynched,
mafia wins if the amount of ICs is equal to the amount of mafia

Mathdino · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:25 am

this seems pretty similar to perpetual mylo

Sukima · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:18 am

You'd also have to make the mafia only able to shoot town, since couldn't they just get lynched, shoot the scummiest partner, and then 1v4 LYLO because if town mislynches, 1 IC = 1 mafia

ISO · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:21 am

At 1:4, town should no lynch down to 1:2.

The biggest problem with this setup is that at best town can get it down to 1:2 and still only have a 1/3 shot at winning. Their EV is even lower, because scum can win earlier. (I get an EV of <20%, but I may have jotted down a fraction wrong somewhere. It's not far off that, anyway.)

I don't see a good way to fix this without removing the core concept. Lynching 3 Mafia out of 3 is just always going to be (much) harder (EV-wise) than lynching 3 Town out of 4.