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Post #100 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:35 pm
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by BNL » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:35 pm
In post 99 , the worst wrote: A score of "1" on the vote card means you give the setup 12 points. A vote of "10" means you give it 1 point.
What that doesn't math out
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Post #101 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:37 pm
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by the worst » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:37 pm
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Post #102 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:56 pm
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by Jingle » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:56 pm
Hmm. I voted backwards because I don’t read your posts.
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Post #103 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:04 pm
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by the worst » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:04 pm
Since there aren't too many of us I can go in and correct that when I tally them, if you'd like.
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Post #104 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:33 pm
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by callforjudgement » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:33 pm
In post 99 , the worst wrote: Yup that's the crux of it.
A score of "1" on the vote card means you give the setup 12 points. A vote of "10" means you give it 1 point.
Sorry for the confusion; once we're through this round it'll be easier to all collab on an easier system I think.
Oh, in that case I also voted in reverse (giving my favourite 10, my less favourite that I liked 9, and so on, with setups I dislike being given -).
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Post #105 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:35 pm
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by the worst » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:35 pm
dashes are perfect. are both of you comfortable if I go into your individual answers and correct them to reflect how you actually felt? normally I'd just go by the tallies in the spirit of privacy but it would be easier.
otherwise I can wipe all the votes and start the poll again but I think I need to do a new poll from scratch for this... not sure how much time I'll have for this.
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Post #106 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:01 pm
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by callforjudgement » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:01 pm
It's fine for you to correct the answers. (My votes aren't ambiguous anyway because I rated less than ten setups.)
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Post #107 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
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by Jingle » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
I don't particularly care about privacy, either. Hell, I'd be fine with public voting.
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Post #108 (ISO ) » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:34 pm
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by callforjudgement » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:34 pm
Private voting is more resistant to people voting tactically, but I don't expect much tactical voting to actually be going on.
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Post #109 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:06 am
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by BNL » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:06 am
Since when did this thread turn from discussing setups to discussing voting systems
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Post #110 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:07 am
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by the worst » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:07 am
Since it had a voting system....
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Post #111 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:37 am
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by Jingle » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:37 am
I think majority is a better voting system for most setups than plurality. Are there any other voting system suggestions we can use in setups?
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Post #112 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:57 am
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by the worst » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:57 am
Preferential system. Players list their preferred lynch from most to least, and players with the lowest number of votes are removed until a majority wagon is achieved.
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Post #113 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:09 am
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by Irrelephant11 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:09 am
Electoral college: for the first half of a game day, each third of the living playerlist votes for a representative; in the second half of the game day, these three determine the lynch. This goes away in mylo/lylo, replaced with king-making??
Though this challenge had its.... challenges, I’m already enjoying how much setup creativity it’s generating!
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Post #114 (ISO ) » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:18 am
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by northsidegal » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:18 am
woah woah, hold your great ideas for the february challenge, everyone!
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Post #115 (ISO ) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:01 am
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by Jingle » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:01 am
Reverse voting. Everyone picks x players to not get lynched, person with the least votes does. Day ends when only one person hasn’t been voted.
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Post #116 (ISO ) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:19 am
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by callforjudgement » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:19 am
I've been trying to design a setup like that for a while, but the problem is that it needs to get really convoluted to prevent the scum simply circle-voting and becoming impossible to lynch as a result. You can do it, but the resulting ruleset looks somewhat arbitrary, and then you wonder why you weren't just playing Vote For Town.
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Post #117 (ISO ) » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:31 am
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by Jingle » Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:31 am
Hmm. Tied results all lynched; # of votes = # of scum; day end when all votes active or deadline. I was joking but I think that solves your issue.
Edit: Upped # of votes, changed formatting, and decided I actually want to design a setup like this.
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Post #118 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:40 am
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by Jingle » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:40 am
Results?
Also, voting discussion for next time?
I'd suggest a tiered vote, +1 setups you like until 2 Days before end of month and then a straightforward 1 vote per person between the final three candidates who got the most +1s. That way we're really only choosing between the cream of the crop and there's no incentive to give votes to setups you just don't like to distinguish them from setups you think are bad. I'd be fine with cfj's suggestion too.
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Post #119 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:35 am
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by the worst » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:35 am
tallying up as i post this post!!
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Post #120 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:59 am
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by the worst » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:59 am
okay *drumroll*
using #1 votes count > #2 votes count as a tie-breaker...
in third place
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northsidegal's panic room with 108 points!
in second place
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callforjudgement's keys to the bunker with 108 points!
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in first place
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mith's rogue agent with a grand total of 120 points!!!
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Post #121 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 am
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by the worst » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 am
i very very much like all 3 of these setups
via sheer points we had a surprising amount of draws (2nd place & 7th place were heavily drawn)
anyway, feedback on the voting system? i'm not sure which system would be best but also felt this was pretty heavily convoluted + slightly confuzzling
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Post #122 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:26 am
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by Jingle » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:26 am
Either letting people double up votes or going with my suggestion gets rid of the feeling of being forced to vote. I also don't really see a need to have it be a secret ballot, because I doubt anyone is seriously going to campaign or vote politically. Secret ballots just make me have to wait to see the results.
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Post #123 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:29 am
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by Jingle » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:29 am
Also, I think there is some merit to having the pick next month's rules prize be delayed a month to prevent downtime while the winner chooses the rules for the next month. If we decide to do that, whoever offered to come up with a set of rules in lieu of the victor could propose a set of rules for the dead month while we switch over (presumably March).
Also, congrats mith. Personally I think nsg's was the best tho.
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Post #124 (ISO ) » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:37 am
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by the worst » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:37 am
(hope people don't mind me talking about this)
nsg's was my favourite as well. interestingly nsg + cfj's both got more #1 votes and were more 'loved'; mith's was just very universally 'strongly liked'
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