[SETUP] Guns & Roses

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Post Post #50  (ISO)  » Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:15 am

There's going to be an optimal strategy. The point is to make people fight over what it is in the thread so people can form reads off that, call people scumfucks, threaten to replace out, and tell people not to join games with them again. That's the real reason why mountainous sucks. It's a rehash of baggage contained to that one thread and nothing else to argue over, so you're just having the same argument from page 3 to page XXX.

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Post Post #51  (ISO)  » Wed May 01, 2019 7:14 am

Hmm... I need a way to incentivize roses from picking day 10000.

There has to be a gamble option for picking early day rose. Thoughts?
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Post Post #52  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 8:53 am

It's not obvious to me in the current setup why roses have specific days at all.
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Post Post #53  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 9:25 am

Right. Roses would just pick day infinity to avoid being outed as a rose.

Can you think of anything that would incentivize roses to pick an earlier day?
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Post Post #54  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 9:26 am

Or maybe just accept it as part of the game?

You pick a night + Gun or rose.
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Post Post #55  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 10:23 am

I think either the roses need an additional side-effect, or else to not be night-specific.

The current setup is effectively "town can choose at the start of the game to be a night-n vigilante or a VT; scum win by killing all the VTs". The core mechanic of "power roles don't count towards the town's wincon" is interesting. Getting a working setup built around that can be hard, though.
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Post Post #56  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 10:25 am

Oh, and I just realised a trivial way to stop town all picking N1 or whatever: don't reveal gun holders and rose holders, and let scum choose a night on which to be bulletproof. Town probably won't all pick N1 in case scum do.
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Post Post #57  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 8:13 pm

Hmm, so if rose/gun are not revealed, then mafia needs to solve the game old-fashioned way, which can be ok. Scum being bulletproof will only fix the N1 cheese I guess, since the vig will just tell people that "hey this guy was bulletproof last night - he's mafia".

I think I want to explore some other options though.
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Post Post #58  (ISO)  » Thu May 02, 2019 8:21 pm

I think there are many, many different directions you can take this idea in that are all very viable.

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Post Post #59  (ISO)  » Fri May 03, 2019 7:09 am

I slept on it, and I think a more elegant solution may be:

NO reveal on rose/gun - only when the player flips, they will be revealed their role
Guns pick a night and can shoot during that night
Rose pick a night and is bulletproof during that night
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Post Post #60  (ISO)  » Sat May 04, 2019 11:11 am

I think the setup is still missing something.

What if I made the number of town roses alive public?
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Post Post #61  (ISO)  » Sat May 04, 2019 11:23 am

That's probably a good idea for the same reason that people dislike no-reveal games.
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Post Post #62  (ISO)  » Tue May 07, 2019 12:30 am

Setup


  • 9 Town players vs 2 Mafia players
  • All players must secretly pick either a gun or a rose.
  • All players must also secretly pick a night.
  • A player who picked a gun is a 1-shot vigilante during his/her chosen night.
  • A player who picked a rose is immune to night kills during his/her chosen night.
  • Upon death, it will be revealed whether the dead player picked a rose or a gun.
  • Number of remaining Town-aligned rose players will be announced at the beginning of each day.
  • If there are no Town-aligned player who picked a rose, Mafia immediately wins the game, regardless of whether there are any living Mafia members in the game.
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Post Post #63  (ISO)  » Tue May 07, 2019 9:40 am

I like it. It'll be hard to know where the balance lies, because there's so much WIFOM involved, but the core mechanic seems correct now.
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Post Post #64  (ISO)  » Tue May 07, 2019 9:51 am

I can run some EV calculations as soon as I know what kind of assumptions I can make.

I'm testing with low numbers to see the setup in action.
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