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See [FEBRUARY CHALLENGE] for last month's thread.

March Challenge

Create a new open setup.

Must fulfill at least one of the the following:

• Be a semi-open. This can be in a small way (e.g., Carbon-14), a large way (e.g., Pick your Power X/Y or C9++), anything in between, or in an entirely new way.
  
• Have non-standard win conditions for town and/or mafia. Examples include White Flag, The Coalition, etc.

Must contain at least one of the following:

• Inventor
  
• An Informed role
  
• Town
  Bodyguard
  
  
• Named Townie
  (or a variation thereof)

Submit your setups as posts in this thread. You may re-submit and/or edit until March 29th, at which point we'll vote.

Winner will be in charge of the requirements for next month's challenge!

The first set of criteria here might be slightly non-objective as to what counts, but if it's borderline it's probably fine/feel free to ask!
Note as well that if your setup is semi-open, not all possible setups need to have one of the four roles in the second list; it's sufficient for one of them to.

Ego

A joke submission:

6 named townies
2 goons
Nightless

All names are announced at the start of D1. Town flips show names.
Town win by eliminating all scum.
Scum win by correctly naming every townie (note that this is inevitable if every townie but one is dead).
Scum do this in their pt. If they are correct about every name, they win. Otherwise, one living scum must 1v1 a living townie of their choice.
Ties on 1v1s break in scum’s favor.

Flavor is preferably names from a movie/theater show, and 1v1’s are the understudy trying to steal the part

Why doesn't scum just go for the 1v1 on d1

Ego
This should be stickied.

If I'm reading this right, does Lost Identity qualify? It has semi random generation and the IDs are like named townies. (I'll not be submitting that though because it's trash)

In post 3, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why doesn't scum just go for the 1v1 on d1

Because even if they win the 1v1 the scum in the 1v1 will get lynched immediately afterwards
Better to try to solve he puzzle of townie names by getting a couple mislynches before using one of their chances to guess

Oh they don't win if win ok

White Flag, The Coalition, My Name is Earl... I feel like this month's challenge was made for me.

Capture the Flag

1 Mafia Flagbearer
1 Mafia Goon

6 Vanilla Town
1 Town Flagbearer

Each night, a Flagbearer may choose a player. If that player shares their alignment, they become the new Flagbearer and the previous one becomes vanilla. If a Flagbearer is killed or lynched their faction loses. The night kill happens after the flag is passed.

Edited for clarity

In post 9, Jingle wrote:

Capture the Flag

1 Mafia Flagbearer
1 Mafia Goon

6 Vanilla Town
1 Town Flagbearer

Each night, a Flagbearer may choose a player. If that player shares their alignment, they become the new Flagbearer and the previous one becomes vanilla. If a Flagbearer is killed their faction loses. The night kill happens after the flag is passed.

How does town win this

Lynch the mafia flag bearer.

In post 5, BNL wrote:Ego
This should be stickied.

If I'm reading this right, does Lost Identity qualify? It has semi random generation and the IDs are like named townies. (I'll not be submitting that though because it's trash)

Yeah, this is one of those borderline cases.

I think conceptually lost identity doesn’t really feel like a semi open because there’s no actual distinction between the different possible setups that could be generated, because the roles (id numbers) are all equivalent except that they are different numbers. I’d certainly count it as having named townies. As for semi openness, if you wanted to submit something like it I’d personally squint at it but would just let the voters decide if it’s a good idea or not :p.

How about games that have 2-3 town Neighbors and 0-1 scum neighbors, adding up to a total of three neighbors? I know they exist but can't think of their names atm.

In post 12, implosion wrote:

In post 5, BNL wrote:Ego
This should be stickied.

If I'm reading this right, does Lost Identity qualify? It has semi random generation and the IDs are like named townies. (I'll not be submitting that though because it's trash)

Yeah, this is one of those borderline cases.

I think conceptually lost identity doesn’t really feel like a semi open because there’s no actual distinction between the different possible setups that could be generated, because the roles (id numbers) are all equivalent except that they are different numbers. I’d certainly count it as having named townies. As for semi openness, if you wanted to submit something like it I’d personally squint at it but would just let the voters decide if it’s a good idea or not :p.

I wouldn't consider this semi-open, for what it's worth.

Jingle wrote:How about games that have 2-3 town Neighbors and 0-1 scum neighbors, adding up to a total of three neighbors? I know they exist but can't think of their names atm.

Also sort-of borderline but I'd count it as semi-open. It's probably not an especially interesting design on its own, though, and it has potential (depending on the rest of the setup design) to swing based on which setup it's in.

In post 9, Jingle wrote:

Capture the Flag

1 Mafia Flagbearer
1 Mafia Goon

6 Vanilla Town
1 Town Flagbearer

Each night, a Flagbearer may choose a player. If that player shares their alignment, they become the new Flagbearer and the previous one becomes vanilla. If a Flagbearer is killed or lynched their faction loses. The night kill happens after the flag is passed.

Edited for clarity

Does this have a role from the 2nd list? I wouldn't consider a flagbearer a named townie, as they have functionality beyond being named (passing along, losing if killed)

Point, I kind of focused on the former. I'll try to submit something that actually fulfills the requirements at some point.

In post 17, Something_Smart wrote:

Lost Heirs

2 Mafia Goons

6 Vanilla Townies

1 Town Spy

Pregame the Mafia must choose two players to be the

Lost Heirs.

One or both of the Lost Heirs may be Mafia members. The

Spy

is then informed of the name of one of the two Lost Heirs, randomly chosen. The Spy is not informed of the alignment of either Lost Heir. Lost Heirs are not aware of being Lost Heirs (unless they are mafia of course), but if they die, they flip as a

Town Lost Heir

or a

Mafia Lost Heir

.

If both Lost Heirs are dead, the Town automatically wins, even if they would otherwise be endgamed.

Once during the game, the Mafia may choose to

Arrest

their nightkill. This works the same as a normal nightkill, except that if the Spy is killed this way then the Town loses its ability to win by killing both Lost Heirs. It is not announced when this power is used, unless it is used successfully on the Spy.

What stops town from lynching a claimed spy to prevent scum from arresting them? Aside from losing 1 of very few lynches

Nothing, but I don't think it's a good strategy unless the spy's target is scum. If you lynch spy day 1 -> spy's target (who is town) day 2 you're in a lynchpin-ish LYLO with absolutely no information.

I suppose I could just say that town can't win via heirs if the spy is lynched to prevent that strategy entirely.

I think that setup gets a little better if you stipulate that scum can't name both of themselves as lost heirs. If scum do so, it's not necessarily an overpowered option, but it kind of turns the setup into 2:7 with a townie that's informed of one of the mafia which is kind of... blasé. And I can imagine a lot of scumteams taking that option, and removing it doesn't really remove any of the interesting pieces. Might be wrong about this though.

I can imagine some pretty hilarious antics occurring in the setup. Like a 5 player LYLO after a town heir was killed in the previous day and the spy is still alive, and scum have to make a guess as to whether the spy knows the other heir. If they do, then scum HAVE to counterclaim the spy... which in turn means that the first spy claim will be more believable, and you might get cases like a mafia member claiming spy and saying that the other lost heir is [some random town member], and then having that town member counterclaim spy saying that they don't know who the other heir is because the one they knew is dead.

What if the heirs are both town mandatory

Not sure if that's necessary. If scum make one of their own an heir they can get screwed if the spy is told that player, even if they then kill the spy.
Irrelephant's and implosion's changes both seem fine though.

Lost Heirs V2

2 Mafia Goons

6 Vanilla Townies

1 Town Spy

Pregame the Mafia must choose two players to be the

Lost Heirs.

One of the Lost Heirs may be a Mafia member, but not both. The

Spy

is then informed of the name of one of the two Lost Heirs, randomly chosen. The Spy is not informed of the alignment of either Lost Heir. Lost Heirs are not aware of being Lost Heirs (unless they are mafia of course), but if they die, they flip as a

Town Lost Heir

or a

Mafia Lost Heir

.

If both Lost Heirs are dead, the Town automatically wins, even if they would otherwise be endgamed.

Once during the game, the Mafia may choose to

Arrest

their nightkill. This works the same as a normal nightkill, except that if the Spy is killed this way then the Town loses its ability to win by killing both Lost Heirs. It is not announced when this power is used, unless it is used successfully on the Spy.

If the Spy is lynched and was not a Lost Heir, the Town also loses its ability to win by killing both Lost Heirs.

So the Spy is informed they are an heir, they should claim to get lynched immediately?
I think it should be changed so that the Spy can’t be informed about themself.

Actually, the whole idea of the Spy being an Heir is pretty nasty, because they're never going to be lynched unless they know they're an Heir, and then they just claim immediately. How's this:

Lost Heirs V3

2 Mafia Goons

6 Vanilla Townies

1 Town Spy

Before the game, alignments are randomized and distributed. Then, the Mafia must choose two players to be the

Lost Heirs.

One of the Lost Heirs may be a Mafia member, but not both. After they have chosen, a random townie who is not a Lost Heir becomes the

Spy

, and they are then informed of the name of one of the two Lost Heirs, chosen randomly. The Spy is not informed of the alignment of either Lost Heir. Lost Heirs are not aware of being Lost Heirs (unless they are mafia of course), but if they die, they flip as a

Town Lost Heir

or a

Mafia Lost Heir

.

If both Lost Heirs are dead, the Town automatically wins, even if they would otherwise be endgamed.

Once during the game, the Mafia may choose to

Arrest

their nightkill. This works the same as a normal nightkill, except that if the Spy is killed this way then the Town loses its ability to win by killing both Lost Heirs. It is not announced when this power is used, unless it is used successfully on the Spy.

If the Spy is lynched, the Town also loses its ability to win by killing both Lost Heirs.