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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 7:30 am

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My votes:
We Will Not Stop Planning!
Baton Pass
Mirror World
Mutiny Mafia
The Handler
Forkbomb Mafia
Balance in the Neighborhoods
Fibonacci Mafia
Good Fences
Splash Damage
Bundle Mafia
Team Mafia Updated
Some Enchanted Forest
True Popcorn
Hot Potato Mafia
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 7:48 am

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Things on the same line are tied:

Forkbomb

True Popcorn, Baton Pass, Fibonacci

Balance in the Neighorhoods, Good Fences Make Dead Neighbors, Splash Damage, Bundle

The Handler, Hot Potato, Mutiny, Mirror World

We Will Not Stop Planning, Some Enchanted Forest, Team Mafia
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 1:35 pm

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In post 224, Something_Smart wrote:Regardless of who wins, I would like to petition them to not put a player count restriction in the next challenge. I think that will both improve overall submission quality and increase the chance of the setups being run.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 11:19 pm

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It's interesting how much disagreement there is in the voting for this challenge. With many challenges, there's widespread agreement on the best few setups, but that doesn't seem to have happened here (there are several setups rated very highly by some people and very low by others).
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2019 3:25 am

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I’m having a very busy weekend
Anyone want to take it upon themselves to plug these results into mith’s link from the February challenge?
Plz and thx
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2019 4:03 am

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Here's a list of all the setups and votes.
Each line below is in the format: setup number. setup name | setup creator | setup creator's votes
Please let me know if there are any mistakes here!

1. Forkbomb Mafia | Implosion | 1>2=9=10>4=12=14=15>6=7=8=13>3=5=11
2. True Popcorn | RadiantCowbells | 2>1=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
3. We Will Not Stop Planning! | NK15 | 3>9>13>8>6>1>4>10>12>14>15>11>5>2>7
4. Balance in the Neighborhoods | Ankamius | 4>1=2=3=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
5. Some Enchanted Forest | BBmolla | 5>1=2=3=4=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
6. The Handler | S_S | 3>13>11>9>6>1>4>8>14>10>2>7>5>12>15
7. Hot Potato Mafia | Jingle | 7>10>1>2>4>9>14>13>8>6>3>12>15>11>5
8. Mutiny Mafia | OkaPoka | 8>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=9=10=11=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
9. Baton Pass | NSG | 9>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=10=11=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
10. Fibonacci Mafia | BNL | 10>1>14>9>6>13>4>2>8>7>12>11>15>3>5
11. Team Mafia | ceejayvinova | 11>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=12=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
12. Good Fences Make Dead Neighbors | NMSA | 12>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=13=14=15 (default, no votes)
13. Mirror World | cfj | 13>1>10>4>14>6>9>2>8>11>15>7>12>5>3
14. Splash Damage | TemporalLich | 14>13>4>9>10>6>2>8>12>7>1>3>5>15>11
15. Bundle Mafia | DDL | 15>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14 (default, no votes)
0. No setup | Irrelephant | 9>2=10>12=14>4=11>1=13>6=7=15>3=5>8
0. No setup | popsofctown | 13>6>4>3>5>8>1=7=10=12=15=2=9>14=11

And in the appropriate form for the winner calculator:

Code: Select all

1,Forkbomb Mafia
2,True Popcorn
3,We Will Not Stop Planning!
4,Balance in the Neighborhoods
5,Some Enchanted Forest
6,The Handler
7,Hot Potato Mafia
8,Mutiny Mafia
9,Baton Pass
10,Fibonacci Mafia
11,Team Mafia
12,Good Fences Make Dead Neighbors
13,Mirror World
14,Splash Damage
15,Bundle Mafia

1>2=9=10>4=12=14=15>6=7=8=13>3=5=11
2>1=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15
3>9>13>8>6>1>4>10>12>14>15>11>5>2>7
4>1=2=3=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15
5>1=2=3=4=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14=15
3>13>11>9>6>1>4>8>14>10>2>7>5>12>15
7>10>1>2>4>9>14>13>8>6>3>12>15>11>5
8>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=9=10=11=12=13=14=15
9>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=10=11=12=13=14=15
10>1>14>9>6>13>4>2>8>7>12>11>15>3>5
11>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=12=13=14=15
12>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=13=14=15
13>1>10>4>14>6>9>2>8>11>15>7>12>5>3
14>13>4>9>10>6>2>8>12>7>1>3>5>15>11
15>1=2=3=4=5=6=7=8=9=10=11=12=13=14
9>2=10>12=14>4=11>1=13>6=7=15>3=5>8
13>6>4>3>5>8>1=7=10=12=15=2=9>14=11


Looks like
Baton Pass
beats every other setup in the pairwise votes, so congratulations to
northsidegal
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2019 4:21 am

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Baton Pass

Mirror World
Forkbomb Mafia

Balance within the Neighbourhoods = Fibonacci Mafia
Splash Damage

The Handler

True Popcorn

Mutiny Mafia

Good Fences make Dead Neighbours

Hot Potato
We Will Not Stop Planning = Bundle Mafia

Team Mafia

Some Enchanted Forest



I believe these are the full results? I'm a bit unsure of the Hot Potato tier.

The results were really surprising to me. I don't recall anyone rating Baton pass very highly, but it was generally well received, and the other setups in the list were a lot more controversial, with many high votes but also low votes.
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2019 4:36 am

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Actually, I've realized an error in the votes: You didn't count Irrelephant's votes, who did not submit a setup.

Edit: Same for popsofctown
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sat May 04, 2019 5:13 am

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Ooh, l should have realised that could happen. Let me go back and edit my results post with them.

EDIT: And done. Baton Pass is now an outright Condorcet winner rather than a weak Condorcet winner.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:00 am

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Did anybody pm nsg to let her know she won?
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:50 am

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I didn't (and still haven't); I just counted the votes. I guess we don't really have a process set up for this.
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:52 am

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I'll message her. :lol:
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 9:57 am

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FWIW, second-place calculations (deleting the winner from the results and simulating the election from the other setups):

There's a Condorcet cycle. Fibonacci Mafia is beaten (for second place) only by Mirror World, which is beaten only by Splash Damage. Splash Damage loses to Fibonacci Mafia, also to Forkbomb Mafia and Balance in the Neighbourhoods. Who you put in second place is thus a matter of how the tiebreak is calculated. (The linked website gives the tie to Mirror World because its worse loss is no worse than the worst loss of any other setup (primary tiebreak), and it has the fewest ties (secondary tiebreak).)
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 10:49 am

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thanks everyone! there were some great submissions this month, i'm a little surprised i won (although i do think i'm happier with baton pass than with my submissions in previous months)

going to mull over the criteria i was thinking of a bit more and hopefully have the may challenge up later today or at the latest tomorrow
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:33 am

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nsg lied. She hates us and refuses to give new criteria.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:35 am

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Weird I had a fever dream someone else did a recount and nsg was no longer the winner and there was drama about it
It’s been a weird week
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

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