[SETUP] Halftraitor mafia

[popsofctown]

1 Mafia Hollywood Husband
1 Mafia Hollywood Wife

1 Straight Halftraitor Ultimate Fangirl
1 Straight Halftraitor Ultimate Fanboy

6 Vanilla Townies

The Halftraitors are informed who the mafia member of the opposite sex is. They lose the game and leave the game if that player dies. They win the game only if the game ends in a mafia win, the mafia player of the opposite sex is alive at that point, and the mafia player of the same sex is dead at that point.
The Halftraitors target a player each night. If the halftraitor is NKed, they redirect the shot to the targeted player instead.
When a Halftraitor is lynched, that night's nightkill is skipped.

I feel like 6 VTs is not enough and 8 VTs is too many . But what about the concept?
People of the school of thought that 3rd parties should have really high EV %s are not going to like this setup, obviously.

[Irrelephant11]

I feel like 6 VTs is not enough and 8 VTs is too many

the number you're looking for is spelled 7

[Irrelephant11]

I feel like this isn't fun for mafia, who have a lyncher and a partner they can only semi-trust to make nightkills that have both their best interests at heart

[popsofctown]

I feel like this isn't fun for mafia, who have a lyncher and a partner they can only semi-trust to make nightkills that have both their best interests at heart

I don't follow? The two mafia players can fully trust eachother, they have the standard mafia wincon.

There is no "lyncher" in the sense that there is a player that wants to lynch a specific other player and knows exactly who that player is.

[Irrelephant11]

Sure, but each mafia has a single player whose wincon requires specifically their death over their partner's

Both mafia have in the back of their minds "I don't want to nightkill someone who's townreading my partner, because that person might be a half traitor who will shoot me" so their nightkill decisions are at odds
though I guess if they win together they don't really think about it that way, okay you're right on that front

I guess it's just the traitors that are at odds. I do think they basically function as "combined unlyncher lyncher", where they know their unlyncher target and their unlyncher target knows their lyncher target. Seems complicated, but now I'm too confused to figure out if it's fun

[popsofctown]

Yeah I don't think you shoot people who are townreading your partner because it's mafia.

The people who are supposed to have fun are the VTs. They get to try to figure out who the traitor was protecting.

[chennisden]

Gee it sucks to be a traitor

[TemporalLich]

I liked the setup until I read the part where the halftraitor wincons are mutually exclusive...

Even then, halftraitors have a low win chance

[chennisden]

The point is to make everyone have fun

[chennisden]

Third party/multiball is disliked because it's the best way of making sure someone doesn't have a good time

[popsofctown]

I wish the same people policing open setups weren't the people rolling me as an no BP SK in a 15 man closed normal :X

[chennisden]

serial killers should NOT be normal

they are unfun, not normal, and messy mod-wise.

i would never design an SK game and would almost never play in one.

[Oversoul]

serial killers should NOT be normal

they are unfun, not normal, and messy mod-wise.

i would never design an SK game and would almost never play in one.

I don't think they are necessarily unfun. I think the unfun comes from the swinginess, which can be addressed from a design standpoint before the game even begins.

[popsofctown]

I kinda actually think they're less fun than vanilla mafia.

[chennisden]

Playing as the SK is generally just unfun no matter what. And if someone isn't having fun it's contagious.

[nomnomnom]

I disagree with this entirely.
I think SK is a challenging role and I love challenges so it's a good role in my book

[popsofctown]

Is this harder or easier than SK? Postmortem wins are allowed with this role.

[nomnomnom]

The Halftraitors are informed who the mafia member of the opposite sex is. They lose the game and leave the game if that player dies. They win the game only if the game ends in a mafia win, the mafia player of the opposite sex is alive at that point,

and the mafia player of the same sex is dead at that point.

I think that part in particular makes it a bit harder to win, as a gut reaction.

[popsofctown]

That's the part that's so unique though. Knowing X is scum, but not wanting X to die, but trying to figure out X's scumpartner and lynch that player.

[Awoo]

Okay, so this is a pretty neat concept for a hypothetical role that no one would want to play in practice, but it deserves credit for being something new and easy to understand.

Now can we design more roles that feel bad to play, for town and mafia, and create the ultimate bad feeling setup?

[popsofctown]

Hahaha

[popsofctown]

Does adding a survivor backup wincon to the halftraitors "fix" this or just spread the misery around?

[callforjudgement]

I think this might work better with just straight up unlynchers?

2 Mafia
2 Unlynchers (each targeting a different Mafia member)
9 VTs
(A town win means that both scum are dead, so the Unlynchers lose; a scum win will cause at least one Unlyncher to win, possibly both. So the Unlynchers and scum are allies in a sense, just not directly)

Maybe not as interesting, but it's probably more fun to play. I'm still not sure it's fun enough, though, and even with 9 VTs it may still be scumsided.

[popsofctown]

I do want to see someone come up with a good Unlyncher setup. I feel like Unlyncher is probably less unfun than lyncher and people have fired lyncher setups out of the queues.

[Korina]

I may take you up on that.

If I do, I'm probably gonna change around unlyncher to have an ability to help them achieve their goal. It'll most likely be a 1-shot governor.