[SETUP] Two-Fold 2d3

ISO · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:17 am

A setup applying the Two-Fold Matrix6 formula to 2d3. Putting this here as a concept thread.

Two-Fold 2d3One row and one column are selected at random from the Mafia table to generate 1 Mafia role and 2 Anti-Mafia town roles.

Repeat this process on the Werewolf table to generate 1 Werewolf role and 2 Anti-Werewolf town roles.

There are 81 possible setups!

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

	A	B	C
Werewolf	Werewolf Roleblocker	Werewolf Rolecop	Werewolf
Row 1	Town Seer and Town Auditor	Town Seer and Town Wolfstalker	Town Seer and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Wizard and Town Guardian	Town Wizard and Town Wolfstalker	Town Wizard and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Seer and Town Guardian	Town Auditor and Town Guardian	Town Wolfstalker and Town Guardian

Populate the rest of the player slots with 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Werewolf, and 5 Vanilla Townies. You should end up with a 13 player setup.

Both scumteams have multitasking and daytalk.

Cop gets results in the form of Mafia/Not Mafia, Seer gets results in the form of Werewolf/Not Werewolf.

Doctor protects from the Mafia factional kill, Guardian protects from the Werewolf factional kill.

Tracker sees who a player targeted but can't see the Werewolf factional kill, Wolfstalker sees who a player targeted but can't see the Mafia factional kill.

Jailkeeper roleblocks Mafia and Town and protect from the Mafia factional kill, Wizard roleblocks Werewolf and Town and protect from the Werewolf factional kill.

Neapolitan gets "Clear" result on Vanilla Townies and Werewolves, Auditor gets "Clear" result on Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons. If this is not the case, "Not Clear" is returned.

Rolecop and Roleblocker act exactly like their Normal counterparts.

Roleblockers act before Jailkeepers and Wizards.

In the event a Jailkeeper and a Wizard target each other, they are not protected.

callforjudgement · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:35 am

Faction-specific Doctors = Archangel (vs. Mafia factional kill), Sorceror (vs. Werewolf factional kill). I don't think there are existing names for the other faction-specific roles, though.

Town get a lot of benefit from claiming here, but they also get a large drawback from the faction sizes, so perhaps this is balanced. (Balance in multiball tends to be screwy anyway.)

Do you have tiebreaks for handling 1:1:1 endings? (2:1:1 endings tend to resolve themselves at night after town force no-lynch during the day, so they don't normally need an anti-screw. 2:2:1 can be a problem sometimes, though.)

ISO · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:08 am

In post 1, callforjudgement wrote:Faction-specific Doctors = Archangel (vs. Mafia factional kill), Sorceror (vs. Werewolf factional kill). I don't think there are existing names for the other faction-specific roles, though.

Town get a lot of benefit from claiming here, but they also get a large drawback from the faction sizes, so perhaps this is balanced. (Balance in multiball tends to be screwy anyway.)

Do you have tiebreaks for handling 1:1:1 endings? (2:1:1 endings tend to resolve themselves at night after town force no-lynch during the day, so they don't normally need an anti-screw. 2:2:1 can be a problem sometimes, though.)

I saw Doctor and Guardian used in Two-fold Matrix6. Most of the power role names come from that, though I had to make Auditor up from thin air (it gets clear checks on VTs because they are normal workers, and clear checks on Goons because that's what they want the Auditor to think).

2d3 is more townsided than Matrix6, so I expect this setup to be more townsided than Two-Fold Matrix6. Yeah, claiming not being good is good indeed.

NewD3 wouldn't work well with the Two-Fold formula mostly because a Mason is a Mason is a Mason.

1:1:1 is best resolved as a mafia/werewolf draw, town loses thing right? (maybe not, if you actually played out 1:1:1 and had the mafioso and werewolf shoot each other you'd get a town win, but that's less likely than either scum winning. Town is screwed if either scum is a roleblocker though!)

popsofctown · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:44 am

I don't want to play a multiball game, but if I did I think it'd look something like this!!! (?) !!!!

ISO · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:48 am

Role PMs, adapted from the 2d3 newbie queue role PMs.

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from the Mafia factional kill and be prevented from using their own action (unless they are Werewolf-aligned), if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Mafia

or

Not Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town NeapolitanWelcome!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Cleared

or

Not Cleared

. Vanilla Townies and Werewolves are considered Cleared. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result. You will not see the Werewolf factional kill.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from the Mafia factional kill during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town WizardWelcome!

You are a

Town Wizard

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from the Werewolf factional kill and be prevented from using their own action (unless they are Mafia-aligned), if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town SeerWelcome!

You are a

Town Seer

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Werewolf

or

Not Werewolf

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town AuditorWelcome!

You are a

Town Auditor

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Cleared

or

Not Cleared

. Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons are considered Cleared. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town WolfstalkerWelcome!

You are a

Town Wolfstalker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result. You will not see the Mafia factional kill.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town GuardianWelcome!

You are a

Town Guardian

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from the Werewolf factional kill during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Werewolves have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

,

Mafia Goons

, and

Werewolves

will all return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Werewolves have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Werewolves have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

WerewolfWelcome!

You are a

Werewolf

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Mafia have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Werewolf RolecopWelcome!

You are a

Werewolf Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

,

Mafia Goons

, and

Werewolves

will all return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Mafia have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Werewolf RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a

Werewolf Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town and Mafia have been wiped out, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

edit: Town now has the new Newbie wincon, and scum has their wincons say "wiped out" instead of "eliminated" to reduce confusion

Awoo · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:37 pm

This looks super cool.

ISO · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:32 am

I'm planning on running this very soon.

Jingle · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:02 am

In post 2, TemporalLich wrote:NewD3 wouldn't work well with the Two-Fold formula mostly because a Mason is a Mason is a Mason.

Technically speaking... no.

Masons can be taken as confirmed not being mafia only, particularly in setups like monks and masons.

ISO · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:07 am

In post 7, Jingle wrote:
In post 2, TemporalLich wrote:NewD3 wouldn't work well with the Two-Fold formula mostly because a Mason is a Mason is a Mason.
Technically speaking... no.

Masons can be taken as confirmed not being mafia only, particularly in setups like monks and masons.

Yeah, but a Two-Fold NewD3 would have to allow Anti-Mafia roles to be given to the extra Werewolf and Anti-Werewolf roles to be given to the extra Mafioso to not have Masons and Monks be OP.

Jingle · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:10 am

Probably a very swingy setup, but I wouldn’t mind seeing it run. The tracker is significantly more powerful than in regular 2D3 I think because of the additional potential for information (more prs, more scum prs). Similarly jailkeeper is not as strong. Jailkeeper and tracker both targeting a wolf pr is interesting.

Jingle · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:11 am

I agree that the setup would need more retooling than this one, but it is possible.

ISO · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:12 am

I will create a Two-Fold NewD3 thread as a concept then...

I still intend on running a Two-Fold 2d3 game soon

but I need a backup moderator

ISO · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:55 am

Here's the thread for the multiball NewD3 variant: Two-Sided NewD3

ISO · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:27 pm

Meanwhile, I've pushed this setup to the Open queue.

Jingle · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:18 pm

In post 11, TemporalLich wrote:I still intend on running a Two-Fold 2d3 game soon but I need a backup moderator

Yo.

Just let me know if you want me to get hands on and shoot me a ping when the game starts and I'll check it once a day at least.

ISO · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:04 pm

In post 14, Jingle wrote:
In post 11, TemporalLich wrote:I still intend on running a Two-Fold 2d3 game soon
but I need a backup moderator
Yo.

Just let me know if you want me to get hands on and shoot me a ping when the game starts and I'll check it once a day at least.

I already found a backup moderator, forgot to strike it out.

I'm accepting /pre-ins now.

Marashu · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:57 pm

Didn't want to just edit your wiki entry without permission, but the wiki page has cell A3 in the werewolf table as town Doctor instead of town Guardian (which is what you have in the OP in this thread).

ISO · Post Post #17 (ISO) » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:37 pm

In post 16, Marashu wrote:Didn't want to just edit your wiki entry without permission, but the wiki page has cell A3 in the werewolf table as town Doctor instead of town Guardian (which is what you have in the OP in this thread).

alright thanks, that was actually an error.

Werewolf A3 has a Guardian and a Seer.