[SETUP] "Easy" Mafia

popsofctown · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:43 am

1

Friendly Neighbor

6

Vanilla Townie

3

Mafia Goon

Nightkills are compulsive. The player designated to perform the Night 2 nightkill dies as they perform the kill.

chennisden · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:53 am

Interesting setup. Seems balanced but is annoying to EV (so i wont)

popsofctown · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:01 pm

There's three times as many associative tells compared to 7-2 mountainous, which won't get reflected in the EV.

ISO · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:34 am

I get 36.08% without the friendly neighbor, and 37.22% replacing it with an IC. Friendly neighbor should be a bit stronger than that, plus associative tells and a guaranteed flip before the game ends. Yeah, should be pretty reasonable.

schadd_ · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:00 pm

the scumteam gets to be the better 2 out of a given 3 people

bonus associative tells aren't really much of a thing when it's known from the beginning that somebody is going to necessarily flip at a certain time

popsofctown · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:31 pm

In post 4, schadd_ wrote:the scumteam gets to be the better 2 out of a given 3 people

bonus associative tells aren't really much of a thing when it's known from the beginning that somebody is going to necessarily flip at a certain time

The former will alter the win %s, but the thing is, it alters the win %s in a way that I feel is not unfun design. The important thing is that the losing team in any setup feel outplayed. When a scumteam with 2 pros sacrifices Joe Schmo Amateur and sweeps 5 man LyLo there is nothing that is going to make the townies feel like they weren't outplayed. For there to be this kind of skill imbalance in the scumteam, 1-2 of the scum have to be good, so the outcome of the game should feel like a function of player efficacy.

The latter - will just agree to disagree.

Tana and Ephraim · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:47 pm

This game will be very hard for town.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:48 pm

In post 6, Tana and Ephraim wrote:This game will be very hard for town.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:53 pm

In post 4, schadd_ wrote:the scumteam gets to be the better 2 out of a given 3 people

bonus associative tells aren't really much of a thing when it's known from the beginning that somebody is going to necessarily flip at a certain time

This isn't necessarily true tho because if you lynch scum before then, then you still have to sacrifice one of the remaining scum.

I think it's closer to 60-40 ish?