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For last month's challenge, see the August Challenge thread.

We've had a lot of rules to encourage complexity and weird ways to think about Mafia in the past challenges. This month's challenge takes things in the opposite direction, though: how simple can a setup be whilst still being playable?

September Challenge

Create a new

open

or

semi-open

setup. (A semi-open setup is a random choice between a fixed number of open setups, with the players not knowing which was chosen.)

Requirements:

• The setup (or each subsetup individually in the case of a semi-open) must meet the Normal Game guidelines. This means Normal roles
  and Normal mechanics
  only.
  
• At least 7 and at most 13 players. (As the game is also Normal, this means it's Town vs. Mafia or Town vs. Werewolves, no third parties.)

Must have:

• The possibility of daytalk for the anti-town faction (either as part of the game rules or via an Encryptor).
  
• At least as many Vanilla Townies as non-vanilla players. (In a semi-open, each subsetup must individually comply with this restriction.)

Must not have:

• Roles which have a choice of which personal night action to use (e.g. Town Jack of All Trades and Town Cop Doctor are disallowed), or that can use multiple personal actions on the same night (e.g. Town Combined Doctor Roleblocker is disallowed).
  
• Modifiers applied to non-vanilla roles (e.g. Town Neighbour is allowed, as is Bulletproof Mafioso; 1-shot Town Cop and Town Weak Doctor are disallowed). Exception: Multitasking is allowed for anti-town players.

Feel free to submit your setups in this thread all through September (and to use it to discuss other people's submissions); when October comes, this thread will then be used to vote on which of the proposed setups is the best. If there's a clear winner, they'll be in charge of the requirements for October (unless they choose to delegate to someone else). Good luck, and have fun designing setups!

when did we go from [MONTH CHALLENGE] to [CHALLENGE] Month Challenge, anyways?


(ego)

July. Blame BNL.


(also ego)

I'd been meaning to change the format as soon as I got a chance, but BNL did so first. It's more consistent to have all the challenges tagged the same way.

Mafia 1+2+Player 11	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
1:Mafia Bulletproof + Mafia Hider + Mafia Encryptor	Mason+Mason+Mason	Mason+Mason+Mason	Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup	Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup	Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup	Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector	Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector	Vigilante + Vengeful + Universal Backup
2:Mafia Hider + Mafia Ninja + Mafia Encryptor	Mason+Mason+Mason	Mason+Mason+Mason	Rolecop + Encryptor + Motion Detector	Vengeful + Cop	Rolecop + Ninja + Motion Detector	Encryptor + Encryptor + Cop	Rolecop + Hider + Motion Detector	Vigilante + Universal Backup
3:Mafia Bulletproof + Mafia Ninja + Mafia Encryptor	Mason+Mason+Mason	Mason+Mason+Mason	Rolecop + Encryptor + Motion Detector	Vengeful + Cop	Rolecop + Ninja + Motion Detector	Watcher + Watcher + Watcher	Vigilante + Universal Backup	Vigilante + Universal Backup
4:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Bulletproof + Vanilla Townie	Ninja + Ninja	Ninja + Ninja	Encryptor + Encryptor	Encryptor + Encryptor	Encryptor + Encryptor	Vengeful	Vengeful	Encryptor + Encryptor
5:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Hider + Vanilla Townie	Ninja + Ninja	Ninja + Ninja	Ninja + Ninja	Encryptor + Encryptor	Motion Detector	Motion Detector	Motion Detector	Vengeful
6:Mafia Encryptor + Mafia Encryptor + Vanilla Townie	Ninja + Ninja	Ninja + Ninja	Encryptor + Encryptor	Encryptor + Encryptor	Encryptor + Encryptor	Vengeful	Vengeful	Encryptor + Encryptor

13 players.
Randomly pick a number between 1 and 8 to pick a column, then randomly pick a number between 1-6 to pick a row. Pick the roles associated with the row (2 mafia+11th player) and the intersection of the picked row and column(1-3 power roles), the rest of players will get a VT role PM.

Seems like a good chance to take a stab at a new newbie setup, tbh.

6:3? I'd expect that to be very scumsided. (Add four VTs and it's possibly balanced, but might even then be scumsided.)

NK15, how do I read your table?

In post 7, callforjudgement wrote:6:3? I'd expect that to be very scumsided. (Add four VTs and it's possibly balanced, but might even then be scumsided.)

NK15, how do I read your table?

Pure Vig is treated as a ridiculously powerful role in that setup.

It's strong, but I don't think it's strong. (Admittedly, last time I ran a Micro vig setup the vig was northsidegal, so town wrapped it up pretty quickly, but you can't rely on that happening every time.)

uh # of vts >= non vanilla including or excluding non town aligned players?

by wording i assume ALL players including mafia

All vigs are either northsidegal, or northsidegals wearing fetters of doubt in their own majestic beauty and power. EVs not calculated accordingly are erroneous.

In post 10, OkaPoka wrote:uh # of vts >= non vanilla including or excluding non town aligned players?

Including non-town-aligned power roles. (Excluding Mafia/Werewolf Goons, who are vanilla.)

Normal Setup #63 v1.1

11 players

1 Mafia Multitasking Rolecop

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town Neighborizer

1 Town Vigilante

6 Vanilla Townies

A Normal setup.

All PTs have daytalk.

Hopefully this is closer to EV-balanced.



I may create an actual setup, but the challenge requirements don't provide much in innovation. My current setup is just called Normal Setup #63 because it's a normal setup.

ego
Radical idea — semi-open could also be defined as a setup where it has the possibility of being maybe 9 different, but similar, open setups?

In post 7, callforjudgement wrote:NK15, how do I read your table?

I think you should be able to read it now(I edited it).

@NK15: Are the Ninjas in Row 4 Column 1 intended to function as named townies who share a name with eachother but don't have meaningful power?

If so I would suggest, for identical functionality and slightly more elegance, that they be Informed Townies, information: "You know that there is only two mafia." or "You know that there is one other Informed Townie".

There are town ninjas in 3-scum setups too, though. Presumably they're meant to serve as potential millers for the town rolecop.

S_S are you -also- doing named townies?
Gunsmith gets "no result" on ascetic townie and knows to clear the slot, which is a sane innocent result the same way it would be if he investigated a VT.
Vanilla Cop gets "no result" when investigating the Ascetic townie. That lets him immediately clear the slot rather than wait for the first flip as with the VTs, I guess, but that's so very marginally different from getting a "Vanilla" result, since in the only subsetup where a town vanilla cop can hit the ascetic townie, the slot will -eventually- be clear.

It doesn't break the setup or anything, I guess. It's just kinda weird.


pedit: ah. I scanned for ninjas in the 3 scum setups but didn't see the ninjas sprinkled in there.
That's true. I can't think of a vacuous informed modifier to use, then.

In post 21, popsofctown wrote:S_S are you -also- doing named townies?

Pretty much, yes.

The original version of the setup had VT's instead of ascetic townies, but I realized that it was way too easy for guiltied scum in setups 1 and 4 to get away with claiming the missing investigatives and that made these setups significantly more scumsided than the other two.

I did ascetic because it was a named townie with the neat perk of being 100% confirmable on being checked. I'm not totally happy with it, but I definitely think it's better.

Gunsmith doesn't get an immediate clear on VT's, btw-- mafia doctors also return no gun. Absent a scumflip or a massclaim, neither investigative can 100% clear any VT's.

In post 23, Something_Smart wrote:Gunsmith doesn't get an immediate clear on VT's, btw-- mafia doctors also return no gun. Absent a scumflip or a massclaim, neither investigative can 100% clear any VT's.

Yeah I don't play enough Normal games to learn these things.