[Challenge] Team Mafia 2020
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I feel personally attacked"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I've added the setup submissions to the opening post of this thread so that they can be easily accessed in one place. Submissions can be made up until December 8th with my goal being to have a final setup chosen and formatted by December 15th. If you see a setup or idea that you really like, please express your support!"To hide a tree, use a forest" -Ninja Boy Hideo- Volpe14
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Notes:
1) I considered removing the Commander gimmick and in Odd-number Twilight the second day phase being another standard majority lynch, but I thought it was a bit less novelty than the Commander idea.
2) The flavor is that the Old King died, and the Kingdom is being divided in four smaller ones, while mafia intends to overtake all of the domains by force. Doesn't matter how it's run, there will at maximum be four monarch elections, and the reason that mafia loses with 3 mafiosos dead is because they could only ever take one kingdom and therefore are bound to lose.
3) Yes...it's a double day setup rather than a double lynch. I'll give in to RC, maybe it's stingy to gate town information with double lynches. It's also harder to do something different with double lynches. It makes sometimes more confusing setups.
4) I'm still wondering whether to remove the Duke/Flag Bearer mechanic or not. I think it would be simpler to remove it but I wonder if it's scum sided if I do so. I think winning by two mafioso elections is a good power up for mafia and the duke mechanic tries to make up for that for town. It also makes insane-levels of busing less likely?- Volpe14
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"- Ircher
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Mafia Exam
15 Players: 11 Town, 4 Mafia
Daytalk is allowed and standard lynch and night kill mechanics applywith the exception that "No Lynch" is not a valid vote.Added in version 2.0.
Each night, every town player must submit a list to the mod of who they believe is scum. Players may include as many names as they like (including all of them), but they must include at least as many names as there are scum remaining. At the start of the following day, each player will receive back a percentage from the moderator indicating how accurate their guess was. The person who scores highest is rendered bulletproof the following night; however, if there is a tie for highest, no one becomes bulletproof.Deleted in version 2.0.
For instance, suppose the remaining players are Alex, Bob, Charles, Diana, Esther, Fiona, and Giles. Of those seven players, Alex and Fiona are scum. Suppose Bob guesses that Alex, Diana, and Esther are scum. Then Bob will receive "33% correct" back at daybreak since 1/3 of his guesses is correct.
At the end of each day until only one scum remains, every town player will receive a pm from the moderator noting the percentage of their votes that were on scum during the day. The town player(s) with the lowest percentage die at the end of the night while the town player(s) with the highest percentage are rendered bulletproof that night. (Note that voting the same person twice in a row does not count. If Alex, Bob, Charles, Diana, and Esther are playing and Alex and Bob are scum and Charles votes Alex --> Diana --> Alex --> Alex --> Diana, then Charles should get back 50% since the fourth vote shouldn't be counted.) Added in version 2.0
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Maybe this setup is too swingy, but I think it leads to an interesting game. I don't think there is a breaking strategy as scum can fakeclaim even if someone receives 100% back. I could also drop the bulletproof reward for being the most accurate.
Edit: Changed it to be based on votes since flips broke the previous version of the setup. The elimination of the player(s) with the lowest percentage disincentives people from voting only a few times. This also reduces the odds of someone receiving 100%.Last edited by Ircher on Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.- TemporalLich
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It wouldn't surprise me if Mafia Exam had a 100% breaking strategy, perhaps one that's possible even if half the players don't stick to it.
The basic idea is to change your vote a huge number of times (probably in the tens of thousands range) until every possible scumteam gives you a different percentage. Then if you survive the night, you'll know the whole scumteam.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- gobbledygook
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I like the fact that mafia have a lot of choice in how to play this game starting in pre-game. I also like how this messes with the race to the bottom that we commonly see in games like the Flags and other mostly vanilla games.
I have no idea if this is balanced, but I think we should probably aim for something that is 30-40% winnable for town seeing as the Team Mafia mechanic is inherently townsided.- popsofctown
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Let's not run a team mafia setup where tons of teams win or lose as a consequence of a scumslip from 1 player that was on 1 team"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Look like fewer submissions are coming in and it's getting to be about which setup is best.
Excluding mine for intuitive reasons:
The "visible normal queue" setups I like the best are RC, Alisae, and Klick's.
The "paradigm shift" setups I like the best are Volpe, NK15's, and OkaPoka's.
Those setups seem balanced, minimally monopolized by any one slot, interesting, sufficiently low swing, in my amateur estimation.
Among the normals, RC's is particularly appealing to me because it uses the fewest power roles which means massclaim should occur later.
Among the paradigm shifts, NK15 is most appealing to me because Volpe's setup has a tolerable amount of all-star dynamic and OkaPoka's might come out surprisingly scumsided with the potential power of redistricting."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I'm assuming Micc was skimming for area tags and just missed it.
At worst he was waiting for S_S to resubmit it with the named townie machofied which I agree is strictly better and Micc wanted to ensure S_S stole thunder that way."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!- OkaPoka
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my setup is def scumsided as i think nightless games are "50/50" at 1 scum :3 town odds (i think)
and 4 v 11 leans towards scum sided ness
and they get a conditional nightkill
and they get redistricting
idk if the info gained from town is enough to outweight this potential scumsidedness on paper in a team mafia setting- popsofctown
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S_S wow that's a really well designed setup you came up with!
I love it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"- Micc
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for my setup since you have the 17p version upIn post 144, Micc wrote:Sorry, I've now added RC's setup to the opening post. Let me know if I missed anything else while scanning through the thread.
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I don't think massclaim is dangerous here (although you might want to delay it until day 2). The idea is to not rely on the roles at all and just use the town power roles as though they were named townies; that gives you a huge advantage because they're either counterclaimed (giving you a 1v1), or not counterclaimed (giving you an Innocent Child).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town- popsofctown
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I think You Shall Not Act looks like it has a claiming strategy but is only slightly townsided or maybe even o.k. after executing it.
With wide disparity in power ranging from Vanilla Cop to Fruit Vendor you probably massclaim "vanilla" or "not vanilla" day 2, I think"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?" - popsofctown
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