[CHALLENGE] February + March Challenge

[gobbledygook]

I’ll vote in the morn! Haven’t read them all yet

[gobbledygook]

Gobbledygook - Flash Mob
Hectic - Switch
DDL - Babbling Berg
BBmolla - I Love You Not
Kerset - Cunning Saints
Jingle - Choose your Rival
Not Known 15 - Jailv2
Pops - Best Patch
Ircher - SS3 Draft
ceejayinvoa - ascension without med

[northsidegal]

gobbledygook | Flash Mob
I actually really really like this setup except for one thing - it feels like the flamenco is too punishing on scum. My understanding is there'd be 3 pairs, 1 treestump, and if any of the two pairs with mafia in them were lynched, they'd lose. Granted, thinking about it more it would require all four townies to agree in a way that would be harder than in the Tango, so maybe it's not so townsided. As for the Tango, I think it sounds like a lot of fun - one pair known to be two scumbuddies is a good concept, I think.

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TemporalLich | Marathon Night v2
Doesn't seem bad. I like the voting of the role distribution, although I think that 2 masons is probably the best choice always? Public cop is also a consideration too, so it's not terrible unbalanced, and the dayvig is a fun one too, if people want to go for that.

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Jingle | 8p Choose Your Rival
Doesn't seem terribly unbalanced, from what I can tell. That being said, I'm not sure it's really that interesting? Sorry. I can't say I really see the "draw".

Kerset | Cunning Saints
Is this fun? I feel like randomized Supersaints is not really a fun concept for a setup, but that might just be me.

BBmolla | I Love You Not
Unknown lovers seems like an un-fun mechanic. One mafia partner is presumably the best scum player in the list, and the mafia presumably picks the best townies to be partnered with them. I would posit that it's scumsided?

DrDolittle | Babbling Bjerg
Sorry, maybe this sort of thing just isn't for me, but I don't think that this looks fun. In setup 2 mafia quickhammers the second someone votes wrong, right? And in setup 1 when nobody claims Bjerg you'd know you're in setup 1, and even if mafia fakeclaims Bjerg, you would still know that it's setup 1 after you lynch someone and the game isn't over, right? So then, wouldn't you just bar the doors the day after and always win? I might be missing something. (turns out this is only true if you lynch town in setup 1, not if you lynch scum. not sure it changes my thoughts much)

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Hectic | Switch with Your Name on It
It's really unique. I have a hard time evaluating it otherwise.

ceejayvinoya | Ascension Without Meds
I think this setup faces the Creature problem (i.e. how much does inserting Creature as a player in your game invalidate the setup) in that if town can reliably ascend one person, it might be a little unbalanced? Rolestopper is interesting.

popsofctown | The Best Patch
I'm sorry. I don't really understand it.

Not Known 15 | Jail V2
This is a difficult one to parse. I think the Jail mechanic is a lot better suited to a larger game than an 8 player one.

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Ircher | SS3 Draft

This wouldn't actually just be standard SS3, right? Because you could get into number claiming, or claiming however it is that the draft was done. I /think/ that that might townside it? Not sure.

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gobble (Flash Mob) > TL (Marathon Night) > Jingle (Choose Your Rival) = Kerset (Cunning Saints) = BBmolla (I Love You Not) = DrDolittle (Babbling Bjerg) > Hectic (Switch) = ceejay (Ascension) = popsofctown (Patch) = NK15 (Jail) > Ircher (SS3 Draft)

[northsidegal]

Code: Select all

1,Kerset's Cunning Saints 
2,BBmolla's I love you not 
3,Hectic's Switch with your name on it 
4,DrDolittle's Babbling Bjerg Redux 
5,Jingle's 8p Choose Your Rival 
6,Temporal Lich's Marathon Night v2 
7,ceejayvinoya's ascension without meds 
8,Gobbledygook's Flash Mob 
9,popsofctown's The Best Patch 
10,Ircher's SS3 Draft 
11,Not Known 15's Jail V2 
12,Hectic's Sacrificial Pacts



3>1>6>12>10>2>9>11>7>8>4>5 #Ircher
1>6>8>9>3>7>11>2>10>12>5>4 #Oka
8>7>4>11>3>9>6>1>2>10>5 #Pops
7>4>6>1>9>11>8>5>10>3>12>2 #ceejay *
3=12>8>9>4>1>11>2>10>7>5>6 #Hectic *
6>3>4>1>2>9>10>12>8>11>7>5 #TL
1>6>3>9>5>4>7>2>8>10>11 #Kerset *
8>3>4>2>1>5>11>9>10>7 #gobbledygook
8>6>5=1=2=4>3=7=9=11>10 #NSG

*s indicate that I placed the voter's setup at the top of their votes.

We have a condorcet tie between Kerset's Cunning Saints, Hectic's Switch with your name on it, Temporal Lich's Marathon Night v2, and Gobbledygook's Flash Mob.

[OkaPoka]

oh god lmao

[Ircher]

maybe use a different system like Borda Count to break the tie? Idk if that'll work.

[northsidegal]

if i remove the votes that i placed for people of their own setups, we have an outright winner of TemporalLich. i'm not sure if it was people's intentions to leave out their own setups or not, though, and i'd suspect that it wasn't.

[popsofctown]

The code you posted has all four winners voting their own setup the most highly, how is that granting you a different result?

[popsofctown]

I propose the tiebreak method, "the winner according to all ballots not submitted by someone who tied for first". This grants an outright winner of gobble.

[TemporalLich]

Apparently Copeland's method (using the votes as NSG posted) in the winner calculator spits out Marathon Night v2 as the winning setup.

Not sure if that helps but I guess, idk.

If I had to alter my vote I'd swap my setup and Hectic's setup.

[OkaPoka]

what if we ask mith to cast the winning vote

[Ircher]

That sounds a good idea if mith agrees. Mith is knowledgeable about open setups and would be impartial.

[OkaPoka]

pm'd

this would be more interesting

[mith]

I see I have been summoned. I’ll try to take a look after breakfast.

[mith]

I’ll go with Kerset’s. All of them are interesting, though.

[OkaPoka]

our lord and savior has spoken

kerset wins!

[northsidegal]

please no player count restriction next challenge

actually rechecking this month's restrictions i can't believe that literally every setup this month was less than 8 players when that wasn't even necessarily a restriction

[popsofctown]

The "game ends quick" requirement overlapped the playercount restriction

[OkaPoka]

The "game ends quick" requirement overlapped the playercount restriction

in hindsight i probably should've caught this

[OkaPoka]

but also im kinda happy with how this turned out because any of the top 4 setups (to me) are playable and i think good setups

then again i designed the criteria after things i like in setups soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[gobbledygook]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I was so close

[Kerset]

our lord and savior has spoken

kerset wins!

Cool! Thanks mith!
April challenge is up.

[Jingle]

viewtopic.php?f=115&t=82646

[northsidegal]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I was so close

if it means anything, i thought your setup was the best :p

also, i realized that when counting the votes in previous months, if a setup creator didn't submit a list, the vote counter would submit a single vote for their own setup for the creator. i didn't do that here, but all of the people who tied voted, so i don't think it would've made a difference?

[Jingle]

I disagree with assuming a creator who didn't submit a list would vote for only their own, FWIW.

I didn't vote but wouldn't have ranked mine as top setup either.