[SETUP] Any last wish?

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[SETUP] Any last wish?

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:13 am

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any last wish?
10 Vanilla Townies


3 Mafia Goons


normal day / night cycle, mafia has no nightkill on night 1


when someone is executed, town may also vote to give them a power role to use on the following night, each power may only be taken once

- publishing cop
- publishing tracker
- Vigilante
- Doctor
-Jailkeeper
- Neighborizer (the executed player won't have access to the dead thread if this ability is used)
- Detective-izer
- Bus Driver
- Nothing (may be taken more than once)


not sure if this is balanced but thought the concept might be interesting
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:53 am

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Do you vote on what to give them before they flip? that would be kind of spicy
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:01 am

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(1) does the power *have* to be used? like, if scum is executed, and town votes to give them the publishing cop, do they have to cop someone?
(2) do executed mafia members keep access to the scum pt? i.e., can the living scum give the executed buddy advice on who to target with whatever they got?

i'd say this is scumsided atm but would definitely play something like this
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:04 am

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In post 1, Awoo wrote:Do you vote on what to give them before they flip? that would be kind of spicy
yeah indeed, that's what my starting point for the design was
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:08 am

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In post 2, Datisi wrote:(1) does the power *have* to be used? like, if scum is executed, and town votes to give them the publishing cop, do they have to cop someone?
(2) do executed mafia members keep access to the scum pt? i.e., can the living scum give the executed buddy advice on who to target with whatever they got?

i'd say this is scumsided atm but would definitely play something like this
1)
nope, you don't have to use power at all if you don't want, i could make it the opposite but that sounds kinda bad

2) they don't but if you give a mafia member neighborizer, nothings stop them from neighborizing a buddy


and yeah i think that's kinda scumsided too, not sure how to fix that tbh, thanks for saying that's not a totally horrible setup though lol
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Fri Dec 25, 2020 9:29 am

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oh wait i misunderstood your question i'm dumb

yeah so mafia leaves PT upon getting exed, but no one joins the dead PT while they can still influence the game
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 4:41 pm

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A full Publishing Cop or a full Vigilante who are unkillable (due to being dead already) can balance or even overbalance a game by themselves, they're that powerful. Of course, that requires eliminating a townie D1 (and if you accidentally give Vig to scum, town are doomed at that point).

I like the idea, but the role list needs work.
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:18 pm

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it's only doable on the night that they gets exed, otherwise i think it's waaaay to powerful yeah
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:03 pm

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Oh, I see, the roles are all one-shot.

In that case, I suspect that there isn't enough town power (even taking the skipped nightkill into account), but that could be fixed by giving them a more useful role selection.

Probably town should be voting on a role choice at the same time as the elimination vote.
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:08 pm

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In post 8, callforjudgement wrote:Probably town should be voting on a role choice at the same time as the elimination vote.
that's... yes, what they're doing already?
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:08 pm

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and idk, setup doesn't seem to attract much interest and not sure how to fix it better
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:20 pm

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I meant, vote on both simultaneously, rather than holding one vote in twilight.

This is the sort of setup that's more likely to attract interest if someone runs it (and that probably works better in the Theme than Open queue), but the hard part is trying to design the perfect role list and that's something that can take a lot of effort. In effect, town have three shots of power roles for the whole game (because there are three miseliminations before town lose), and they do nothing to help confirm their users. So it's going to be hard to find a set of roles strong enough to balance out town's inherent disadvantage in a 10:3. Perhaps some of the roles need to be 1-shot, and others reusable?
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:23 pm

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yes, they vote on both simultaneously, realized the ruling wasn't clear on that one

and yeah, maybe some non-one shot stuff could be cool, although annoying for scum to deal with
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