Mafia Are Masons

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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2021 5:57 am

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2 Mafia A Goons
2 Mafia B Goons
4 VT

During Night 1, the first player to be eliminated chooses either Mafia A or Mafia B to be recruited to the town as a Mason Pair. The day 1 yeet is compulsive and defaults to plurality if no majority is reached. Standard yeet rules apply on future days.


Notes: Both Mafia groups will have access to a nightkill on N1, but neither will know whether they are going to be town or mafia at the end of the night.
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2021 7:06 am

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even with random odds, there's a 50/50 shot that a goon will be the lim on D1. what happens in this case?
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2021 7:57 am

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also hi jingle you were in my first ever game on this site. you'll be relieved to discover that i'm not 13 anymore and would no longer claim tracker end of D1 for no reason lol
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2021 11:07 pm

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If goon gets d1 elim and pick himself, does his wincon change after death?
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2021 6:29 am

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In post 3, Kerset wrote:If goon gets d1 elim and pick himself, does his wincon change after death?
Yes
In post 1, InsidiousLemons wrote:even with random odds, there's a 50/50 shot that a goon will be the lim on D1. what happens in this case?
That goon would pick between becoming town and staying mafia, as written. (Probably the former.)

CFJ suggested that this setup might encourage a policy lim D1 to try to hit a VT since a goon will probably always choose their team due to the townsided nature of 7:1 Nightstart with a vigshot and 2 masons and two masons > 1 mason 1 VT.

Tweaks I'm considering: random masonry instead of eliminated's choice, removing the vigshot (only the nk goes through), reducing it to 3v2v2 on D1, possibly in conjunction with the previous.

The eliminated player would be spoiled as to alignments but not actions when choosing.

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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat May 29, 2021 10:17 am

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/out srry
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:14 am

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what if
4 mafia humans and first 2 elims get to pick one of them to become town

the other 2 become a group
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:43 am

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That’s not mafia at the beginning, either because your minority isn’t a minority or because there is no minority at all. It’s also a perfect example of the problem with the Saulus role of it is a group from the beginning in that as soon as a goon becomes town they just massclaim and out goons.
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