Spectators

For large social games such as Survivor where the primary mechanic is social interaction.
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Post Post #25  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:33 pm

often there's a hybrid dead/spectator thread

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Post Post #26  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:40 pm

In post 24, pablito wrote:I guess something I didn't think about much when I made the original post is that players are playing not just for themselves and the thrill of the game, but also because this is a public game. Survivor is on tv, and some players shill to the audience just as much as to themselves. Mafia games sometimes are spectated, but often not until afterwards - and dead threads are now more commonplace. Makes me wonder if any player who enters a large social game is not playing to the audience at all?

I mean I don't make any of the moves I make for specs but I like including them

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Post Post #27  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:52 pm

pandering on mafiascum dot net? Surely not!
So yeah. Ivy is arrogant, a HANNAH, pompous, a pagonger, has no trust in me at all and expects me to just grovel at her feet and tell her everything while she plots to pagong me.
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Post Post #28  (ISO)  » Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:55 pm

In post 2, Cephrir wrote:D) I'd post no matter what. I like talking about myself, and writing my thoughts out helps me think.

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Post Post #29  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:03 am

I'll only say that from a newbie perspective, having the specs post in my confessionals in Medevac was crucial and was the main reason why I had so much fun. Not only did they help me learn new things about my game and play styles, but they were also there as a resource to answer any questions I had (since us newbies have a lot of stupid questions). Not allowing specs to comment would be a big mistake

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Post Post #30  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:22 am

In Conclave, I had a terrible confessional because I had no idea what to talk about. Even reading it post-game I have no idea what I was thinking through most of the game because I barely talked about anything, and I won that game lmao. I don't think I'm a good example to go off of though, because in my past couple games I've gone in with the mindset of trying to entertain the mods and spectators (and myself) over trying to win at all costs. I wasn't doing things I thought would make me lose just for fun, but if I didn't know which was the better strategic play, I did what I thought would be funnier...I think that was 80% of why I wanted to vote out Android 18. What I'm saying is that without spectators following along I get really bored and usually quit, but that's just me.
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Post Post #31  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:30 am

I haven't really seen much discussion about the costs/drawbacks of spectators despite the question being asked a couple of times, so I'll try to address that...

In my mind, the potential for spectators to (unintentionally) influence the game by posting in confessionals is too great to ignore. Using grumpy's post above as an example... should grumpy have had the ability to have people outside the game comment on his game and play style while the game was ongoing? You don't get that on the actual show, and you can make the argument that you shouldn't get that here either.

I know in Medevac I used the spectators interaction to keep me going at points where I wanted to just give up and not fight my elimination or simply quit outright when I was particularly busy IRL... sure, you can say that my receiving motivation from specs benefited the game, but is it true to Survivor? I don't think so.

This is why I very rarely posted in player confessionals in LoL despite being a very active spec... I didn't want to accidentally influence someone's game based on what I thought was an innocent post.

There's a reason why outsiders aren't allowed to post in Mafia games or privately communicate with living players (or even post in dead threads).
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Post Post #32  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:43 am

you know confessionals on the show are the producers asking the survivors questions/giving them pep talks right
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Post Post #33  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:46 am

In post 31, racefan12 wrote:(or even post in dead threads).

also this happens too
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Post Post #34  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:49 pm

Also to be fair, the people talking to players while they're talking in confessional on the real show are trying to create the most entertaining show possible, and ask far more leading questions than any spectators do
"CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
"CC is an objectively attractive person." - Crazy
"You look like a happy version of Trent Reznor." - LicketyQuickety
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Post Post #35  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:02 pm

An additional potential drawback is when players begin to compare the quality of confessional replies from specs or noticing a different interest level from non regular specs which can tip off an interesting play or tribal.

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Post Post #36  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:03 pm

I feel like if youre capable of that level of social awareness from spectators you deserve whatever benefit you get from it. In my experience any time I've seen someone say something like that they have completely misjudged the situation and are going to do something to shoot themselves in the foot
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Post Post #37  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:37 pm

yeah i remember everyone looking at aria's vote in the merge episode of school and she was like "omg i'm going home they're all looking at my vote" when she was just alphabetically the first and first to vote lol.

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Post Post #38  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:51 pm

Hermoine did something to that effect a few times as well (misplayed idol, maybe?)
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Post Post #39  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:55 pm

If you read into what the spectators are doing as a player, history shows you're probably wrong so don't bother
"CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
"CC is an objectively attractive person." - Crazy
"You look like a happy version of Trent Reznor." - LicketyQuickety
"Do you practice sounding like you're high all the time?" - xofelf

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Post Post #40  (ISO)  » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:57 pm

yeah as a spec i just read whoever has posted the most recently no exceptions pretty much. just be proud you're a more updating confessionalist, i suppose.

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