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For large social games such as Survivor where the primary mechanic is social interaction.
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Post Post #175  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:02 pm

yeah chelsea and sabrina sucked.

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Post Post #176  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:06 pm

idk i think first vs jury vs pre-jury is a better paradigm
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Post Post #177  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:09 pm

omg fineeee let me put my foot in my mouth for the tenth time this weekend

but you get what i mean. And it's especially true on MS Survivors where you know everyone is trying pretty hard to get to the end. Here it's more a matter of them having a full grasp of their game and how they got to the end, and then how that stacks up against the others.
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Post Post #178  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:17 pm

winner gets the highest payout, first boot gets second highest payout, second boot gets third highest, etc. until second place gets the lowest payout
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Post Post #179  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:18 pm

plz no omg. anyone with 2 first boots could instantly become like 15th on that ranking

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Post Post #180  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:41 am

Someone might have brought this up already, but you could rank 2nd/3rd place based on how many votes they got in FTC? Someone who got 4/9 votes or only lost in a tiebreaker runoff probably deserves a decent payout, someone who was unanimously ignored probably doesn't.

(To be clear, the winner would still get $1,000,000 regardless. This could presumably also work with ELOs, come to think of it.)
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Post Post #181  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:34 am

that's not a bad thought
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Post Post #182  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:19 am

It still kind of breaks in edge cases, but yeah I think it's as good as you'll get without being too wonky

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Post Post #183  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:41 am

I think its a little odd personally. Winning is winning the vote. Doesn't matter how close! Like if you have a solid majority of say 5 people who will for sure vote you, and you win 5-4, i feel like that is still a "dominant" win in the same way 7-3 or something would be.

I think it gives some hedge cases a weird look?
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Post Post #184  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:49 am

your avatar is screwed up, hiplop.

I think awarding based on FTC vote is problematic and doesn't really solve the issue of how much to reward winning vs. just doing well.
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Post Post #185  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 am

What if we implement Fan Fav of 100k as well
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Post Post #186  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 am

Ya i think jury vote thing slights certain strategies too
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Post Post #187  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:18 pm

To be fair, the winner under that system would always still get the same boost regardless of votes--using jury votes as a metric would only act as a judgment on the runner up. And I do think, for that purpose, that anyone whose strategy involved getting 0 votes in FTC deserves to be slighted, while 4 votes at least means that you weren't universally hated and it wouldn't be an insult to the system to give you $100,000 or so. It isn't perfect, but yeah.
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Post Post #188  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:33 pm

fan fave 100k is good but we'd probably need to only do that in games where IDs arent revealed idk
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Post Post #189  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 136, xRECKONERx wrote:3/12 aka 25% winrate doesnt look great

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Post Post #190  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:56 pm

?
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Post Post #191  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:04 pm

the average win rate according to probability should be like... 1/20 or however many players is the average here

soooo 3/12 looks great don't even

and if ur being sarcastic well be more sarcastic you bastard

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Post Post #192  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:09 pm

oh no i wasn't being sarcastic? i said

"esp compared to bella winning 2/5
or jess winning 1/2"
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Post Post #193  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:10 pm

I think pickemgenius's 0/16 is pretty admirable
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Post Post #194  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:42 pm

It looks great when you put in context of a list?
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Post Post #195  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:00 am

I would actually like having a static payout for first and then variable payouts for 2nd/3rd depending on how many Jury votes they got.

I just wouldn't want people intentionally casting Jury votes in the minority to influence that, you should vote for who you want to win.

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Post Post #196  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:24 pm

Everything has been updated for MLS
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Post Post #197  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:27 pm

snakes playing exactly one game a year. we're on to you.

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Post Post #198  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 pm

Wait was LoL his last game?

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Post Post #199  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 pm

Also lol @ the top 3 from MLS being 3/4 of the top 4 in Elo

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