Anonymous Large Social Game ELOs

For large social games such as Survivor where the primary mechanic is social interaction.
Vijarada
Goon
 
User avatar
Joined: November 06, 2016
Location: Canberra, Australia
Pronoun: He

Post Post #175  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:02 pm

yeah chelsea and sabrina sucked.

xRECKONERx
GD is my Best Man
 
User avatar
Joined: March 15, 2009
Location: Bull City
Pronoun: He

Post Post #176  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:06 pm

idk i think first vs jury vs pre-jury is a better paradigm
get to know a reckoner

#EmeraldProud

Chevre
Honourable Mention
 
User avatar
Joined: February 19, 2010
Location: NEBRASKA
Pronoun: He

Post Post #177  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:09 pm

omg fineeee let me put my foot in my mouth for the tenth time this weekend

but you get what i mean. And it's especially true on MS Survivors where you know everyone is trying pretty hard to get to the end. Here it's more a matter of them having a full grasp of their game and how they got to the end, and then how that stacks up against the others.
Dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile dogpile.

CuddlyCaucasian
Professor of Being a Dog
 
User avatar
Joined: May 20, 2013
Location: James Madison University
Pronoun: He

Post Post #178  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:17 pm

winner gets the highest payout, first boot gets second highest payout, second boot gets third highest, etc. until second place gets the lowest payout
"CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
"CC is an objectively attractive person." - Crazy
"You look like a happy version of Trent Reznor." - LicketyQuickety
"Do you practice sounding like you're high all the time?" - xofelf

Vijarada
Goon
 
User avatar
Joined: November 06, 2016
Location: Canberra, Australia
Pronoun: He

Post Post #179  (ISO)  » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:18 pm

plz no omg. anyone with 2 first boots could instantly become like 15th on that ranking

Ether
Lyrical Rampage
 
User avatar
Joined: July 24, 2006
Location: New Jersey
Pronoun: She

Post Post #180  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:41 am

Someone might have brought this up already, but you could rank 2nd/3rd place based on how many votes they got in FTC? Someone who got 4/9 votes or only lost in a tiebreaker runoff probably deserves a decent payout, someone who was unanimously ignored probably doesn't.

(To be clear, the winner would still get $1,000,000 regardless. This could presumably also work with ELOs, come to think of it.)
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and LOUDER

xRECKONERx
GD is my Best Man
 
User avatar
Joined: March 15, 2009
Location: Bull City
Pronoun: He

Post Post #181  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:34 am

that's not a bad thought
get to know a reckoner

#EmeraldProud

BROseidon
Expert Marxman
 
User avatar
Joined: April 18, 2013
Pronoun: He

Post Post #182  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:19 am

It still kind of breaks in edge cases, but yeah I think it's as good as you'll get without being too wonky

hiplop
Jury Darling
 
User avatar
Joined: March 23, 2011
Location: full of self
Pronoun: He

Post Post #183  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:41 am

I think its a little odd personally. Winning is winning the vote. Doesn't matter how close! Like if you have a solid majority of say 5 people who will for sure vote you, and you win 5-4, i feel like that is still a "dominant" win in the same way 7-3 or something would be.

I think it gives some hedge cases a weird look?
third best scummer of all time

zoraster
Consigliere
 
User avatar
Joined: June 10, 2008
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Pronoun: He

Post Post #184  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:49 am

your avatar is screwed up, hiplop.

I think awarding based on FTC vote is problematic and doesn't really solve the issue of how much to reward winning vs. just doing well.
.

hiplop
Jury Darling
 
User avatar
Joined: March 23, 2011
Location: full of self
Pronoun: He

Post Post #185  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 am

What if we implement Fan Fav of 100k as well
third best scummer of all time

hiplop
Jury Darling
 
User avatar
Joined: March 23, 2011
Location: full of self
Pronoun: He

Post Post #186  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 am

Ya i think jury vote thing slights certain strategies too
third best scummer of all time

Ether
Lyrical Rampage
 
User avatar
Joined: July 24, 2006
Location: New Jersey
Pronoun: She

Post Post #187  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:18 pm

To be fair, the winner under that system would always still get the same boost regardless of votes--using jury votes as a metric would only act as a judgment on the runner up. And I do think, for that purpose, that anyone whose strategy involved getting 0 votes in FTC deserves to be slighted, while 4 votes at least means that you weren't universally hated and it wouldn't be an insult to the system to give you $100,000 or so. It isn't perfect, but yeah.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and LOUDER

xRECKONERx
GD is my Best Man
 
User avatar
Joined: March 15, 2009
Location: Bull City
Pronoun: He

Post Post #188  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:33 pm

fan fave 100k is good but we'd probably need to only do that in games where IDs arent revealed idk
get to know a reckoner

#EmeraldProud

Papa Zito
Jack of All Trades
 
User avatar
Joined: April 05, 2009
Location: Tejas
Pronoun: He

Post Post #189  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:06 pm

In post 136, xRECKONERx wrote:3/12 aka 25% winrate doesnt look great

what
Kappa
Just Monika

Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

xRECKONERx
GD is my Best Man
 
User avatar
Joined: March 15, 2009
Location: Bull City
Pronoun: He

Post Post #190  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:56 pm

?
get to know a reckoner

#EmeraldProud

BipolarChemist
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: January 20, 2014
Location: Kingston, Canada
Pronoun: He

Post Post #191  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:04 pm

the average win rate according to probability should be like... 1/20 or however many players is the average here

soooo 3/12 looks great don't even

and if ur being sarcastic well be more sarcastic you bastard

xRECKONERx
GD is my Best Man
 
User avatar
Joined: March 15, 2009
Location: Bull City
Pronoun: He

Post Post #192  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:09 pm

oh no i wasn't being sarcastic? i said

"esp compared to bella winning 2/5
or jess winning 1/2"
get to know a reckoner

#EmeraldProud

CuddlyCaucasian
Professor of Being a Dog
 
User avatar
Joined: May 20, 2013
Location: James Madison University
Pronoun: He

Post Post #193  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:10 pm

I think pickemgenius's 0/16 is pretty admirable
"CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
"CC is an objectively attractive person." - Crazy
"You look like a happy version of Trent Reznor." - LicketyQuickety
"Do you practice sounding like you're high all the time?" - xofelf

zoraster
Consigliere
 
User avatar
Joined: June 10, 2008
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
Pronoun: He

Post Post #194  (ISO)  » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:42 pm

It looks great when you put in context of a list?
.

Skelda
Mafia Scum
 
User avatar
Joined: July 21, 2013
Location: New Jersey
Pronoun: He

Post Post #195  (ISO)  » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:00 am

I would actually like having a static payout for first and then variable payouts for 2nd/3rd depending on how many Jury votes they got.

I just wouldn't want people intentionally casting Jury votes in the minority to influence that, you should vote for who you want to win.

CuddlyCaucasian
Professor of Being a Dog
 
User avatar
Joined: May 20, 2013
Location: James Madison University
Pronoun: He

Post Post #196  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:24 pm

Everything has been updated for MLS
"CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
"CC is an objectively attractive person." - Crazy
"You look like a happy version of Trent Reznor." - LicketyQuickety
"Do you practice sounding like you're high all the time?" - xofelf

Vijarada
Goon
 
User avatar
Joined: November 06, 2016
Location: Canberra, Australia
Pronoun: He

Post Post #197  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:27 pm

snakes playing exactly one game a year. we're on to you.

BROseidon
Expert Marxman
 
User avatar
Joined: April 18, 2013
Pronoun: He

Post Post #198  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 pm

Wait was LoL his last game?

BROseidon
Expert Marxman
 
User avatar
Joined: April 18, 2013
Pronoun: He

Post Post #199  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 pm

Also lol @ the top 3 from MLS being 3/4 of the top 4 in Elo

PreviousNext
[ + ]

Return to Large Social Games