Is anyone ever going to organize a The Mole game on here

[Blackberry]

No, any time all players unanimously identify the mole, the mole receives 0 points for messing with the challenges. That way the mole has to be secret and effective, so they can beat the other mole. This is what I was trying to say like five posts up

I don't think this is a viable solution. I also don't think it'd have the impact anticipated.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean, maybe the mole only receives a percentage of the sabotaged points, based on what percentage of players don’t name them as the mole? Similar but slightly less broken effect on the game

[animorpherv1]

My problem with berry's solution is that if the mole is found then it will probably be very obvious.

[Fluminator]

What stops the mole in the actual show from just going all out in sabotaging all the time? I'm sure they have something.

[animorpherv1]

The fact that they have to be coy about it if they want to win the money. At the end, if people know who the mole is the mole wins no money.

EDIT: Basically, if this is a bit vague it's because real money is involved.

[Irrelephant11]

I always assumed the mole on the TV show was just a hired actor, doing their job?

In this case there could just be a point value assigned to “tricking more players for longer” that is included in scoring a mole. This could be a way for a mole to compete against another mole or even the very players they’re trying to trick - I.e. at the end, the winner has a score and the mole has a score and the higher one wins. Tricky math for that situation though

[HeWhoSwims]

No, any time all players unanimously identify the mole, the mole receives 0 points for messing with the challenges. That way the mole has to be secret and effective, so they can beat the other mole. This is what I was trying to say like five posts up

I mean, maybe the mole only receives a percentage of the sabotaged points, based on what percentage of players don’t name them as the mole? Similar but slightly less broken effect on the game

I think this is quite a good idea. 3/9 players name you the mole? Then you get 66.6666666% of the points/money that the group lost/didn't earn.

The mole is pretty big here. I don't even know if our mole earns any money... They just try to be under the radar to not get caught.

[Blackberry]

My problem with berry's solution is that if the mole is found then it will probably be very obvious.

I don't know what you're referencing. I don't think I've posted my solution.

[racefan12]

The usual problem with online games of The Mole isn't that the mole has no incentive to sabotage, it's that the other players have no incentive not to sabotage.

In real life versions of The Mole, the non-mole players work together because they want to earn money to win. But when there's no money involved, the only objective for the players is the win itself--and it's more likely for them to win if the players they're competing against think they're the mole when they aren't.

(Pretty sure this has been noted in this thread before, but it seems to have been forgotten in the last several posts.)

The advantage of the "two concurrent games" idea is that it provides this incentive for the players not to sabotage without involving real money.

[pablito]

One time I played a mole game where not only were there two sides of the game for a 12 v 12 situation where each side has its respective mole, there were double eliminations each round. I hated it but it sure gave incentive to never sabotage.

So just as discussed the side of the game with more money wins overall and produces the winning player and the side with lower jackpot gives their mole the win. I ended up being on the side with flakers and crap people in that tribe so I knew I couldn't win even if we tried our best. Bad challenge design that is too difficult can destruction a two tribe mole game.

The other twist which I thought was fairly unfair was whomever did poorest in quiz was eliminated as per usual, but the executed contestant typically answers the final question q20 "who is the mole?" The person whom the executed contestant names is also out. And I was intentionally sketchy and still made final 3 because stupid players never knew my sabotage and instead players who I thought looked the most innocent were dragged out by naive newbies. That rule is designed to eliminate those who try to look sketchy but it didn't always work. And the mole's job becomes five times harder.

It also helped me figure out who the mole was early on because he was aligned with first person executed and I always knew who he named as the mole because I was aligned with him so I thought I'd be next dragged out but I made final 3 somehow.

However a modified version of that rule, especially if it was not every execution could make a better twist. Perhaps every two to four rounds there is a bonus execution where only players eligible to be executed are those who have been named as the mole in q20 more than the mole. IE if Johnny was named mole 20 times, Natalie 18 times, and devin 4 times in quizzes but real mole only 14 times was named. then everyone takes the quiz but devin is secretly exempt for the bonus execution and not told whereas johnny and natalie are eligible for both executions. So if Johnny and Natalie know the mole and get top two scores, still one is executed in the bonus execution. Two people eliminated in a round, the regular loser of quiz plus bonus loser. So if Natalie and Johnny are in a coalition and figured out the mole and intentionally sabotaging, the survivor of that coalition may doubt what is going on if it was regular execution or bonus execution.

[Blackberry]

Alright, let's do this!

I have the rules for a game outlined and the missions outlined.

Below are the basics to the outline of the game. ^_^ It would take me a week or two to write up all the challenges and make sure everything is good-to-go.

What do I need to do to run said game on the forum? I am open to a co-host, specifically if it is someone that is great at creative flavor text and is super active.

Spoiler: GAME SUMMARY

Each round the players will compete in a series of MISSIONS. These missions will test the player’s intellect, communication, trust, and teamwork. If players are successful in their mission, each player on that mission will receive money into their personal funds. But be careful, because amongst you are two moles who are secretly working to sabotage the missions while remaining unsuspected.

At the end of each round an AUCTION will occur where players can big the money they’ve personally earned to win GADGETS. Gadgets are helpful tools that can increase a player’s chances of survival or allow them to manipulate the game.

After the auction has concluded, players will complete a QUIZ about the identities of the moles. The player that knows the least about the identities of the moles will be eliminated.

When the game is down to four or five players they will enter the FINALE. Where the players will take one final quiz about the identities of the moles. The player that scores the highest on the quiz will be crowned the winner.

Spoiler: THE MOLES

Two players amongst the group will be moles, working to secretly sabotage the missions they’ve been assigned to while remaining unsuspected. The two Moles will be competing against each other throughout the game. The Moles will never be eligible for elimination.

The Moles will score points throughout the game based on two criteria:
1) For each mission a Mole is on, that Mole will score points if they successfully sabotage the mission
2) During each Quiz, the Mole that is least suspected between the two will earn points

* Further details on scoring will be provided to The Moles, in private, once they have been selected.

At the conclusion of the game, The Mole that has scored the most points will be crowned the winning Mole.

Spoiler: ADDITIONAL NOTES

It should be noted that each individual mission will only consist of some of the members of the team. Thus, players will have incentive to win because only those members will get money, increasing the chances that they'll win a gadget in the auction.

Examples of gadgets in the auction: bonus points towards the quiz (thus increasing a player's chance to stay), the ability to assign teams for missions next round, the chance to win an exemption. And more ^_^.

The Moles will not know who each other are throughout the entire game and will not partake in the quiz. Their objective is to focus on their own scoring and it is not to identify the other Mole. The Mole's will not know their scores from the quiz nor will they know the other Mole's score throughout the game.

I strongly believe the scoring aspect of The Mole's is balanced strong enough that they have incentive to secretly sabotage challenges without going-all-out and remaining hidden. Meanwhile, players have a dilemma on their hand, they can go for money and earn prizes that'll increase their survival. They can intentionally sabotage here or there, but if they overdo it they won't have a lot of money and their chances of elimination will be higher! I believe the rules will create a healthy balance of letting players invoke their own personal strategy and approach to the game, whether they're a Mole or a player ^_^.

The theme for the game will be a spy academy (think Kingsmen). I once read a book description about a spy academy where each agent was code-named as a playing card... when I began reading the book it didn't focus as much on the academy aspect as I had envisioned and think it'd make a cool theme. The players are new students to the academy training to becomes spies... whilst unbeknownst to the players, the Moles are elite students who are going through a test to see if they have what it takes to be a spy.