Anonymous games vs Non-Anonymous games

For large social games such as Survivor where the primary mechanic is social interaction.
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Post Post #0  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:02 pm

I played 2 games here in the past, both being anonymous. They were both pretty good times, but then I thought for a bit after I saw how you organized "Donganronpa MS" as an LSG, which is Non-Anonymous and had multiple sign-ups and nearly filled in 6 hours before it got reclassified.

When was the last time a TRUE standard Non-Anonymous Survivor game was played here? I feel like it would be very fun to see the dynamic of actually knowing right off the bat who you're facing affects the team structure, along with removing the DQ nature of revealing who you are in a Non-Anonymous game.

If we could get a discussion going on the nature of both sides of the Anonymitiy argument, along with the pros and cons of each, I feel like perhaps we can see where everyone here stands on the matter.

This also isn't me saying get rid of Anonymous games, just wanting to see where the opinion of this lies. Maybe alternate between them more often.

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Post Post #1  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:47 pm

The Challenge: Cutthroat and The Challenge: The Void were both non-anons.

I agree that non-anonymous games - Survivor or otherwise - are incredibly important to the community and I'd like to see the listmods encouraging more of them.
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Post Post #2  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:15 pm

has there been non-anon Survivor since Blood vs Water?
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Post Post #3  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:20 pm

Yeah, the Challenge series is a good point, but I really want to see a standard game of Survivor played non-anonymously. Twists and turns and all that. The Challenge series is different and welcome too.

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Post Post #4  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:16 pm

In post 2, randomidget wrote:has there been non-anon Survivor since Blood vs Water?


Nope.
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Post Post #5  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:25 pm

And I checked just now and that game was during... The middle of 2016. wow. 2 and a half years.

No wonder I never heard about a non-Anonymous Survivor game on the site.
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Post Post #6  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:01 pm

i agree in principle that there should be some but i would also very likely never play one.
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Post Post #7  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:10 pm

In post 6, Vijarada wrote:i agree in principle that there should be some but i would also very likely never play one.


expound upon why

Question for the room: what benefit do public games offer over anonymity? Not looking to fight, looking for thoughts.
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Post Post #8  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:37 pm

Well, since I made this thread, I guess I should list some reasoning on why I feel like a tandem running/alternating between Anonymous and Non-Anonymous games is a good idea.

Much like the IRL meet ups that are organized on this forum, playing and knowing your friends is just an exhilarating concept in itself. I was able to even convince a friend of mine (Clemency) who probably wouldn't play Survivor under normal circumstances, to agree to try it out because he saw the playerlist in Donganronpa MS and decided it'd be fun to do with his friends.

((Granted its not Survivor itself, but the point stands that I got him to try something new on the virtue of being in the game as well.))

The idea of inching in new players to play with their seasoned veteran friends is always a great idea, in my opinion. Make it more of a sitewide thing, you know?

Also, like I mentioned in the first post, the anonymity rule has lead to DQs in the past and made certain games lose an entertaining and valuable player. It also lets players be more genuine while playing without worrying that they'd accidentily reveal something that would out who they are and another possible DQ.
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Post Post #9  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:38 pm

I think there's only ever been one DQ for breaking anonymity? And that was a particularly...draconian set of rules.
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Post Post #10  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:48 pm

Well it's still something to take into consideration, right?

Besides, even though it's Anonymous, many people here know each other's styles, and while people do change styles sometimes, just chatting with a person and them telling you certain things can clue you in on who they are.

Sure the game is anonymous, but you always look for those clues, right? When I was a new player they could immediately tell because I slipped I never played before and it was my first game. So even then, they had a measuring stick on me.

The idea of Non-Anonimity provides the advantage of a more fair playing field to those who haven't played before and lets people not think about "which player is that, they feel familiar", and more about "should I trust this person in particular?".
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Post Post #11  (ISO)  » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:51 pm

I probably wouldn't join a non-anon survivor either... >_<

With anon games, everyone theoretically starts off on the same foot. I don't think people put any weight on perceived IDs. If they do its probably a mistake because the majority of ID guesses even from veterans are wrong. Even trying to figure out who is a newbie is unreliable because some people have faked being new. So you really have to just base all your decisions off things people have said in the game.

I feel like going into a non-anon game you're at a disadvantage if you don't know people well. Some groups will be based on people who are already close to each other, and newbies who will have less information about relationships between other players. FTC bias could also be a pretty big issue.

The major advantage I see to non-anonymous games is that they could have a more casual atmosphere I guess? That would rely on people actually deciding to be casual though. And I guess they'd be good for meeting people. But you could fill the niche with non-survivor games.

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Post Post #12  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:04 am

So a casual Survivor game isn't wanted, Aura? Why should it only be Non-Survivor games? And why couldn't a Non-Anonymous Survivor game be serious?

You have to remember shows like Big Brother and Survivor have All-Star seasons that invite well known past contestants. There's no anonymity there, but everyone enjoys it regardless. And people still play seriously.

If you don't know someone well... Well, that's literally what the game is for. You chat. Make allies. Make friends. Just because You dont know someone doesnt put you at a disadvantage. Having a friend in game means theyre just as likely to screw you over as they are to work with you.
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Post Post #13  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:14 am

Survivor: Magic Kingdom was literally a life-changing event for me.

It's a very different experience but it is one that everybody should consider experiencing.
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Post Post #14  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:22 am

This is the closest thing to a forum version of the Survivormeet that we'll experience online. I just want to be able to try it out, and clearly Haschel liked it enough. I'm sure there's a bunch of people that would like a non-anonymous version.
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Post Post #15  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:43 am

In post 7, Xalxe wrote:
In post 6, Vijarada wrote:i agree in principle that there should be some but i would also very likely never play one.


expound upon why

Question for the room: what benefit do public games offer over anonymity? Not looking to fight, looking for thoughts.

i like...wanna separate my discord and my non-anon life where i talk to people i actually wanna talk to with like...constant game you know?
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Post Post #16  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:53 am

I can't speak for everyone, I'm sure that some people would want one. It'd be a good idea to run at least one if there's interest.

But I don't really see why it would be preferable to an anon game, given the choice.

Survivor has all-star seasons, but its not really a choice. No way to have anonymous returnees. Even then, its hard to call Survivor's returnee seasons fair. Many people had absolutely no shot at winning.

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Post Post #17  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:01 am

In post 9, Xalxe wrote:I think there's only ever been one DQ for breaking anonymity? And that was a particularly...draconian set of rules.


I would like not to speak of this... As the person who broke that rule >_>

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Post Post #18  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:05 am

Not everyone has the same shot of winning in a Anon game either. That's built on strategy, alliances, social skills, sometimes trivia, and sometimes even pure luck.

And I didn't mean All-Stars as in the Anonymous all-stars. I meant the concept in general of knowing about who your facing. It's fun and there's always a good upset. You still only have 1 winner anyway. This is just a different interpretation of the well established style on forum mafia. Bringing back an old one.

Anything can happen. Anyone can win. That's the spirit of Survivor.

I'd add a poll here even to see what it's like and how many would play a Non-Anonymous Survivor game after 2 1/2 years of there not being any.
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Post Post #19  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:07 am

sounds like a load of butt
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Post Post #20  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:11 am

But going off on this subject. In my many games that I've played. The one I have the most memory with is S: Destiny Islands, which was my first game. I made two really good friends in that game, both of them have become really good friends of mine. Even though I haven't talked to one of them in several months. Most people know who I am talking about. Him and I went on to make several games and then we both kind of went through some really hard life circumstances that we helped each other through.

I've also played in two (maybe three) non-anon survivor games, and the thing is sometimes you'll go into those games with pre-concieved notions about a certain player so you tend to either avoid them or you want to start a day 0 alliance. Because you're going off past experiences with said players. I've also tend to hold certain actions that have happened in Non-Anon games more personal toward me than stuff that's happened in anon games. (Fuck You, Xof <3 )

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Post Post #21  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:32 am

In post 17, kdowns wrote:
In post 9, Xalxe wrote:I think there's only ever been one DQ for breaking anonymity? And that was a particularly...draconian set of rules.


I would like not to speak of this... As the person who broke that rule >_>


I was talking about JT in EtE, what are you talking about?
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Post Post #22  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:55 am

In post 21, Xalxe wrote:
In post 17, kdowns wrote:
In post 9, Xalxe wrote:I think there's only ever been one DQ for breaking anonymity? And that was a particularly...draconian set of rules.


I would like not to speak of this... As the person who broke that rule >_>


I was talking about JT in EtE, what are you talking about?


Really? Tell me more of this.... Jatty.

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Post Post #23  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:37 pm

In post 18, Elsa Jay wrote:I'd add a poll here even to see what it's like and how many would play a Non-Anonymous Survivor game after 2 1/2 years of there not being any.


Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think there's a poll needed here, yeah? Anyone is free to run a nonanonymous game, assuming they meet the other guidelines for running LSGs on site. Some people have publicly expressed that they won't, so you might adjust your expectations of casting at the onset, but if you want to run a nonanonymous game, go for it! And if your goal is to subtly prod other people into running one, well, good luck...:P I've been trying to do that with Big Brother games for awhile now.

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Post Post #24  (ISO)  » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:45 pm

Well, I play on mobile mostly, and I think running a game of Survivor on a phone would be... Pretty difficult.

I just want to see where everyone stands on the matter, you know?

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