SPITFLY - GAME OVER!

[Malkon05]

Oldie but a goodie. Super applicable here.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Let's do column, gonna be a fun time.

[Radja]

KittyMo	JunkoChan	Gorkington	tris	CaptainMeme
zoraster	Aronis	McMenno	Cheery Dog	Malkon05
Iprobablysuck	dweller	animorpherv1	Haschel Cedriscon	Save The Dragons
DeasVail	N	Chemist1422	chamber	VashtaNeurotic
gameplay506	racefan12	xofelf	Formerfish	Spangled

(expired on 2019-10-29 17:00:02) to vote!

Only 3 people to vote for, this should be exciting!

[Radja]

Results!

Let's see who got votes!

Spoiler:

N
DeasVail
KittyMo

ooh everyone got some.

Who's safe?

Spoiler:

Hey guess what, everybody got 2 votes! This means the new rule goes into effect and we'll have an extra round without immunity.
Cool!

KittyMo	JunkoChan	Gorkington	tris	CaptainMeme
zoraster	Aronis	McMenno	Cheery Dog	Malkon05
Iprobablysuck	dweller	animorpherv1	Haschel Cedriscon	Save The Dragons
DeasVail	N	Chemist1422	chamber	VashtaNeurotic
gameplay506	racefan12	xofelf	Formerfish	Spangled

(expired on 2019-10-30 17:13:30) to vote!

Spoiler:

don't be lazy and read everything

[Radja]

Results!

Spoiler:

VashtaNeurotic
Spangled
DeasVail
CaptainMeme

all get votes.

Spoiler:

2 players get 1 vote, the other 2 get 2 votes!
That means Malkon will get to decide who gets eliminated. That player then decides who wins immunity.

Who gets eliminated?

Spoiler:

VashtaNeurotic or Spangled both get 1 vote.
Malkon, you get to decide which of these 2 gets eliminated.
(expired on 2019-11-01 01:04:21) to decide.

That person then gets to give immunity to DeasVail or CaptainMeme

[Malkon05]

Well this is not who I was hoping to have to kill. *had his bloodthirsty eye on one sonuvabitch*

But I’ll take it.

So I suppose to determine who I kill, I guess the most important question for me is: who will you make immune if I save you and why?

This is for both of you.

[Malkon05]

In addition I have a second follow up since I know your time is wonky spang:

I can name specific events where Vash has played an incredible game, but I struggle to see what you have done to specifically deserve to be here other than being a perfect “number” for vash and xof. Despite a few attempts to work with you this game you really just didn’t talk much to me and the one time it seemed like you might I had just been voted out and you hadn’t realized it yet so like... what game awareness do you have and what have you done that isn’t just other people telling you what to do?

Jury perception is gonna be huge and you...well...don’t have a lot of time to change it. Why would me saving you make you an interesting person against 5 other people who I can attribute game moves to and wouldn’t vote them over you because you...were there? I’m just trying to figure out how you plan to win and am trying to help you prep for a phase of the game you really don’t yet seem prepped for...view this as a warm up to what jury might be like and use it as an opportunity if you can

[Malkon05]

Vash I don’t really have much other than the who you choose to save. I don’t really have any beef with you this game and I think we both mutually understood it was me or you going last round even though we had our “let’s pretend for the 5th time to work together” talk.

If I think of something I’ll ask you.

[VashtaNeurotic]

Vash I don’t really have much other than the who you choose to save. I don’t really have any beef with you this game and I think we both mutually understood it was me or you going last round even though we had our “let’s pretend for the 5th time to work together” talk.

If I think of something I’ll ask you.

I mean honestly, 95% chance I give it to DV, like probably even higher than that. But I'd at least see if there is a pitch from Meme for why he deserves immunity. It would have to be a damn good one but like, he at least deserves that.

[KittyMo]

I'm glad you get a last hurrah Malkon. You are missed

[Spangled]

I think my greatest defence is what you have not seen me doing; if you saw someone doing something this game while you were still alive, it doesn’t really deserve to be accoladed because if you know that someone’s doing something while you’re alive, you can counter it; knowledge is power and if you know someone’s exploits while they’re doing them... you have power over them. If you’ve known what Vash was doing while he was doing it — or even somewhat after — I wonder that he’s still alive, in fact.

I might argue that many of Vash and xof’s exploits were not just theirs but mine; myself and xof and FF and Chemist were actually a four-person group behind a 9 person ‘T’ group early in the game, and we organised the deaths of a fair few people. You may not have directly seen my hand in some things; I consider that a plus. At one point people clearly saw ‘our’ hand in something — Haschel’s death, I think — and perceived it as xof’s... and xof is dead. Again — I wonder that Vash is not.

I don’t know what it is that you think Vash has done that is ‘incredible play’, and I can’t think of an incident where I was not involved, through plan-making or vote-gathering. I might argue that if you saw an incredible play this game, it may not have been Vash’s, but the fact that, if it is his, you know it is, might be easily be counted a point against him.

I don’t think that the accusation that my game awareness is bad is... worth considering, really, as valid; everyone alive at this point has had attempts on their ‘life’, as it were. That’s... not really something worth considering. ‘Twas not merely Vash and xof who made the plans.

We’ve talked this game; to say we haven’t ain’t true. Not terribly much, but time zones are weird, weird things, and to be honest I hadn’t really considered you someone I could trust much; me and xof kept talking about you potentially doing somethin’ funky and killing her... and then it happened.

As to immunity, I’d probably give it to DV; really no matter which way he gives it there’s someone properly worth killing in the gamestate and someone also worth saving. I don’t think Meme would give it my way, and that benefit is fairly temporary anyway, whereas DV is someone I’d like in the F4, and, if I were to die, would prefer to reach there. What he’s done so far... has been a lot. A

lot

. Much like myself, you may not have seen him in places, doing things, but he’s been extremely involved this game, let’s just say.

[Malkon05]

Alright then spangled: name me a specific move you made independently or that you specifically drove.

Vash: is there validity to what spangled is saying or is it mostly hot air?

[Malkon05]

[VashtaNeurotic]

Alright then spangled: name me a specific move you made independently or that you specifically drove.

Vash: is there validity to what spangled is saying or is it mostly hot air?

I refuse to go into detail on this matter, I do not wish to cut down the game of an ally whether or not my death is on the line. Still I'll humor you with an extremely tepid answer. I do feel that his claims are overblown and I can think of examples why, but that being said, I do feel that a lot of the negatives against spangled's game must be contextualized over well, him being in a different time zone from most of the game among other factors. Also it could very well be that he is working on things that I am unaware of and I certainly am not an expert on a lot of his early game.

Probably a lot better to let his follow up speak for itself.

[Malkon05]

Thanks Vash I don’t have further questions for you. My mind is mostly made up at this point, but I still want Spangled to answer my bit about a specific move before I announce my decision.

[Spangled]

My claims were probably a wee bit overblown, to be fair, and were unfair to Vash; I think I started playing scum there for a second — theatrical and with the little white lies ever-present. It’s difficult being allies during the game because I’d

like

to say we’ve made a few decisions together, or through xof (as it were). It... is true that Vash has done more than me, and probably deserves to live more. I could say that this has been down to timezones, but I think Vash has put more effort in regardless.

I know I’ve done

something

this game, but it’d be cruel to make me trawl through discord logs if you’re just going to give it to Vash
And he has done more; it’s true.

[Malkon05]

I asked you to provide me with a specific example of something you’ve done because I genuinely want to know. Until I post a name, I haven’t killed anyone yet.

I have 7 hours to post my choice. If you can name me one move you have made, I want to know

[Malkon05]

If not, that’s fine too.

[Malkon05]

And to be more clear, I want you to just tell me one specific person you got out or a vote you cast that altered something about this game independently of anyone else.

I don’t need your whole game, just one decision you made or vote you cast that was outside of your alliances or that someone else didn’t suggest to you before hand.

Does that help?

[KittyMo]

Based on what I have been told it is accurate that he first brought up haschel's name in the elusive 9 chat that round and that was the first in a chain of events leading to haschel's death but whether that makes Haschel dying his move is a more nuanced question

[Malkon05]

Based on what I have been told it is accurate that he first brought up haschel's name in the elusive 9 chat that round and that was the first in a chain of events leading to haschel's death but whether that makes Haschel dying his move is a more nuanced question

As much as I appreciate this KMO, I want Spangled to tell me in his own words what he did. He has a little under 4 hours to do so. I want Spangled to play his own game, not someone else's.

[Malkon05]

Oh Vash! I thought of a question for you: Do you know how the votes broke out last round? I have a suspicion, I just want to be sure <3

[Malkon05]

There should just be one outstanding question for spangled and one for vash.

If these aren't responded to with 15 minutes left on the current timer, I will post my decision as to not violate the deadline Radja has given me.

[VashtaNeurotic]

I mean I can't be completely sure, but my guess would be

DV and Kitty on Meme
N on Me
Me and Spangled on DV
Meme on Spangled

[Malkon05]

Vash I meant the round I left >.> LAST round, not THIS round.