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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:57 am

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In post 24, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 21, Ythan wrote:Hey I didn't lose first.
i'm so shocked to see you in one of these
You and me both.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:14 am

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In post 23, Ythan wrote:Ari's pleasantness can not be hid.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 9:40 am

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There's so many people I wish I had gotten to play with :(
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:45 pm

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congrats tortor and bunbun!
good job on F3 rey and avo!
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:06 pm

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*sniffs*

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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:55 pm

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In post 18, Jake The Wolfie wrote:My performance wasn't just sub par, I was
The first one eliminated


So I'm never doing that again.
I was first.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:33 pm

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In post 30, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 18, Jake The Wolfie wrote:My performance wasn't just sub par, I was
The first one eliminated


So I'm never doing that again.
I was first.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:14 am

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In post 31, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 30, Sirius9121 wrote:
In post 18, Jake The Wolfie wrote:My performance wasn't just sub par, I was
The first one eliminated


So I'm never doing that again.
I was first.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:13 am

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In post 29, Iprobablysuck wrote:*sniffs*

i raised them animals
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:18 am

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In post 18, Jake The Wolfie wrote:My performance wasn't just sub par, I was
The first one eliminated


So I'm never doing that again.
I'd say something uplifting here but tbh I feel the same way every time I finish an LSG
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:20 am

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me personally thinks that it doesn't matter too much because next time you'll blow everyone away :O
but sometimes I gets upset spaghet over it too
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:20 am

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it's been years and i still haven't gotten to the top half of any lsg
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:21 am

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hm.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:22 am

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perhaps its because you keep thinking you can't do well?
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:30 am

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maybe? probably not, though. i always start with high hopes and always get them absolutely destroyed. tbh if i stopped having standards I'd probably do better.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:36 am

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maybe you think too much and don't build up relationships?

I never knew al Capone much but ig there were some problems you had which were that you weren't able to identify that I was more loyal to you than viola.

Zero only saw that I was allied with monk but never saw that the other three had an alliance too??? I would also say that running in and talking bad things about someone is just not a good idea also?

Like it seems to me that you search for threats and eliminate them which seems to be the wrong way to play. I think someone's loyalty is much more important that their threat level because no matter how threatening they are, they aren't a threat to YOU if they are loyal to you. I'm not sure how al Capone ranked his stuff tbh but Al Capone was my number 1 so pushing there was probably also a mistake.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:40 am

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I guess with O-ren you weren't really pushing a threat which is why I'm not sure what exactly happened but yeah. It doesn't seem like you value loyalty which maybe is the problem??
IDK I have no idea.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:47 am

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Yeah I don't think I give a second thought about loyalty. Problem is that I have basically zero ability to actually read loyalty either
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:48 am

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ah hm. I'm not sure how to read loyalty either?
I can't read it personally but it comes naturally and I'm not sure how to uh describe it :/
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:49 am

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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:55 am

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New nickname bank:

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Hatsune Miku - Sirius 9121 - Siri U-U

Wolf - JakeTheWolfie - Wolfu

Finn - kdowns - Koko

Pineapple - gabfrankhehehe - Keke

Timothée Chalamet - JBald - Baba

Beef Jerky - Ythan - Yanny

Snow Leopard - noraa - Nornor, Noraabear, Tsutsu

Gummy Bear - Reundo - Ruru

Zero III - NotAJumbleOfNumbers - Jumbley

Michael Cera - Aristophanes - Aristoooooo

Lindsay Lohan & Lindsay Lohan - pablito/cheika - pabo/chika

Monk - 0verki11 - Ovo (this be for the face)

Ranger - Iprobablysuck - Kebabo

The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis - [REDACTED] - Toodles short for redactoodles

Dave Thomas, Founder of Wendy's - Haschel Cedricson - Crabby

C-3P0 & R2-D2 - coolcatjune/MURDERCAT - Juju/Murderkitty

Bonobo - Mist7676 - Mysty

Bard - bipolarchamist - Chemmy

Maggie Smith - DeasVail - Vivi

...Bees? - xofelf - Zofelf!

Cleric - GeorgeBailey - Snailey

Grogu - xRECKONERx - Nene

Avocado - Shrek - Greenie

Dark Rey - tris - Risa

The Tortoise & The Hare - Radja/Awoo - Rara/Bunbun

? Box - Farren - Renny

A Rock - VashtaNeurotic - Vasha

Block of Wood - Ydrasse - Ydra

Can Opener - skelda - Sasa

Candle - Gypyx - Gygy

Capybara - ORAM - Ranny

Cheesesteak - het - Hattie

Gray Wolf - Fenrir - Fenny

Jar Jar Binks - Aronis - Aro

Magnifying Glass - D3f3nd3r -3nd3i3

Nuktuk, Hero of The South - Crazy - Cay

Owen Wilson as Kenny Bostik - bippy - Birdy

Pen - Cheery Dog - Cheerios

Pheonix - Noraa - I JUST NOTICED THAT YOU SPELLED MY NAME WRONG

Salacious Crumb - zoraster - Zoraa

Spam - Snakes - Sasa

Sunny - Cephrir - Cephy

Verka Serduchka's Dress - Drench - Dede


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...Bees? - Bb ... I cant think of anything else.
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Architect Pine - Pie
Avocado - Dodo
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Gray Wolf - Greyy
Grogu - Grogie
Gummy Bear - Bearbear
Hatsune Miku - Mimi
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Kyle - Kyky
Lindsay Lohan & Lindsay Lohan - Lindie
Luo Tianyi - Lulu
Maggie Smith - MagS
Magnifying Glass - Magnoodles
Michael Cera - Miki(pronounced Mickey)
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Nuktuk, the Hero of the South - Nukie
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Phoenix - Nixie
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Site Manager Monty - Mon
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Supervisor Silverclaw - Silver
Surveyor Malkon - Malkoo
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:56 am

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I finished the new one!
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:06 pm

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So quite a few years back, I developed a scoring system for Survivor games, which I have applied both to the real show and to games played on MS. Unfortunately, I have faded out of the MS community recently so I haven't been keeping up with most recent games. However, I am planning on correcting this and eventually getting all Survivor games scored that I am able to. I also owe a big credit to Supervisor Silverclaw for displaying enough of an interest in this to get me interested again; and as a bonus, he also scored the previous game run on the site. (Flash Mob)

You can see the master spreadsheet here, which includes scoring for all the games that have been done, and a few overall player rankings and other stats that some might find interesting. Keep in mind, of course, that this is a work-in-progress and several recent games are not yet included.

If you're a fan of the Survivor TV show, you might enjoy this spreadsheet where I have scored all 40 seasons of US Survivor as well as the 5 modern Australian seasons.

If you're enough of a nerd that you actually want to to understand how this works, then see below:

Spoiler: Scoring Rules
Overview


In this scoring system, each Survivor player is scored based on an average of their scores for each individual Tribal Council they attended. This score is then multiplied by a certain percentage (from 10-100%) based on how long they survived in the game.

For each Tribal Council, all surviving players will be scored with a 2, 3, 4, or 5, depending on factors such as whether they voted in the majority or not, whether they received votes, and even depending on whether the vote could be considered "dynamic" or not. (More on this later.) The eliminated player will always receive a score between 0 and 1, depending on how many votes they did NOT receive. For example, a player who was voted off with a 5-2 vote would receive a score of 2/7 (0.29), because 2 of the 7 votes were for another player. A score of "0" is typically reserved for quits, and a score of "1" for those special circumstances when a player is eliminated without receiving any votes that round.

For each player, after taking the average score of all Tribal Councils they attended, it is then multiplied by 20, so that the theoretical maximum score is 100. Just to note, this maximum score is impossible to achieve from a practical standpoint, and in fact, nobody on MS has ever scored above 90 - though four winners on the real show did.

Finally, we take a percentage of the raw score based on how long the player survived. For players who made the Final 3, this percentage is 100%, so nothing is deducted from their raw score. For everyone else, 5% is deducted for every placement worse than 3rd place. For post-mergers, this caps out at 55%, like this:
  • 100% - Final 3
  • 95% - 4th place
  • 90% - 5th place
  • 85% - 6th place
  • 80% - 7th place
  • 75% - 8th place
  • 70% - 9th place
  • 65% - 10th place
  • 60% - 11th place
  • 55% - 12th (or worse) place
For pre-mergers, instead of counting down, we count up in increments of 10%, depending on how many Tribal Councils the player attended. This maxes out at 50%:
  • 10% - 1 Tribal Council
  • 20% - 2 Tribal Councils
  • 30% - 3 Tribal Councils
  • 40% - 4 Tribal Councils
  • 50% - 5 (or more) Tribal Councils
After taking the raw score and applying the necessary multiplier, we arrive at the final score, which every player is ranked by. Now that we have the overview, we'll go into how each specific Tribal Council is scored.

Specifics


Earlier in this post, I mentioned that each surviving player in a Tribal Council will be scored with a 2, 3, 4, or a 5. To determine what score to give them, we first need to determine whether the vote should be considered "stable" or "dynamic." (I know this part sounds bizarre, but bear with me.)

In practical terms, an "dynamic" vote is one that could possibly be considered a #BigMove, a power shift, a blindside, or something along those lines. To be considered dynamic, a vote must pass both of the following tests:

"Pagonging" Test - The vote must not eliminate someone who was already in the minority.


To pass this test, the eliminated player must not have been on the outside of an already established majority. This is based on who voted together on the most recent dynamic Tribal Council. For example, if the Final 9 featured a 5-4 vote, and at the Final 8 Tribal Council, the players eliminated someone else apart from the 5 that voted together, then that vote would fail this test, and would be considered stable.

A post-swap or a post-merge tribe that hasn't gone to Tribal Council yet can still fail this test if the boot was a member of the minority based on previous tribe divisions. For example, if a tribe swap resulted in one tribe having 5 "Brawn" and 2 "Beauties," then the vote would fail this test if one of the Beauties were voted off. If there has been more than one swap/merge, then the eliminated player must be part of EVERY possible minority (e.g. looking at both pre-swap and post-swap tribes) in order for the vote to fail this test.

"Landslide" Test - The vote must not be a landslide majority vote.


A landslide vote is when far more players than necessary vote with the majority. If this happens, the vote is considered stable. What counts as a "landslide" vote first depends on how many players are at the Tribal Council:
  • Votes with 5 or fewer players cannot fail the Landslide Test. They are only considered stable if they fail the Pagonging Test.
  • Votes with 6-8 players simply must not be unanimous in order to pass this test. 5-1, 6-1, and 7-1 votes fail, but anything else is okay.
  • Votes with 9 or more players must have at least 3 players voting in the minority in order to pass this test. This includes split votes. For example, an 8-2 vote fails, but even if the majority splits the vote so it ends up 4-4-2, it still fails.
If a vote fails either of the two above tests, then it is considered stable. Stable votes are very easy to score, because each player can only score a "3" or a "4."

Stable scoring

  • 4 - A player will score 4 if they had a perfect round, meaning they received no votes and voted in the majority.
  • 3 - A player will score 3 if they received any votes OR voted in the minority.
Stable Tribal Councils have a lower range of scores, because the game is not typically built on them. The reason why it is not possible to score a "5" for an stable Tribal Council is so that players who float along while remaining at the bottom of the majority alliance don't get a higher score than they deserve.

Dynamic scoring


If a vote passes both the Pagonging Test and the Landslide Test, then it is scored as follows:
  • 5 - A player will score 5 if they had a perfect round, meaning they received no votes and voted in the majority.
  • 4 - A player will score 4 if they received EXACTLY one vote.
  • 3 - A player will score 3 if they received more than one vote.
  • 2 - A player will score 2 if they voted in the minority.
For pre-merge Tribal Councils, the criteria for "3" and "2" are switched, because typically receiving votes pre-merge is worse than receiving votes post-merge, while voting in the minority post-merge is more critical.

If more than one criteria applies - for example, a player BOTH received votes AND voted in the minority - then they will receive the lowest applicable score.

Final Tribal Councils


For the Final Tribal Council, winners will receive a score depending on the percentage of jury votes they receive. The formula is:
  • 2.5 + [2.5 * (fraction of jury votes received)]
This results in a winner receiving a score between 3.75 and 5 for the Final Tribal Council.

Losing finalists, on the other hand, will receive a negative score, depending on how many jury votes they receive:
  • -10 * [0.5-(fraction of jury votes received)]
A finalist who receives no jury votes will score a -5 for the Final Tribal Council, while a finalist who receives almost half the votes will receive a negative score much closer to 0.

The Final Tribal Council scoring is weighted to account for different game sizes/lengths. For finalists, 10% of their final score will be based on their Final Tribal Council, and the remaining 90% from the other Tribal Councils they attended.

There are more rules for special situations such as ties, idols, and advantages, that I don't feel are necessary to include in this post, since I don't expect most people's interest levels will run that deep. If you are so curious, additional rules are listed on the "Rules" tab on the spreadsheet, and I am also open to any questions or comments.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:17 pm

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I now endorse the Crazy system which has my points at 2nd overall
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:44 pm

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Huh. I knew that I tend to make merge more often than not, but I didn't realize it was that high of a percentage. 17 out of 22 games in that sheet is something alright.
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