In post 72, Skelda wrote:I'll tell you one thing, this thread is really making me never want to play as a hydra because I feel like even if you win as a hydra, people are gonna be like "oh no, you were a hydra, such a huuuuuuge advantage" and it's almost like your win doesn't fully count. That sounds pretty depressing to me.
I'm not saying this about the most recent win at all. Hydra or not, they would've won at that Final 3 regardless. They deserve the win, but there will always be an asterisk on any hydra wins IMO
In post 72, Skelda wrote:I'll tell you one thing, this thread is really making me never want to play as a hydra because I feel like even if you win as a hydra, people are gonna be like "oh no, you were a hydra, such a huuuuuuge advantage" and it's almost like your win doesn't fully count. That sounds pretty depressing to me.
Sounds like redemption. Never understood why that mechanic is used when half the players have no interest in it.
In post 72, Skelda wrote:I'll tell you one thing, this thread is really making me never want to play as a hydra because I feel like even if you win as a hydra, people are gonna be like "oh no, you were a hydra, such a huuuuuuge advantage" and it's almost like your win doesn't fully count. That sounds pretty depressing to me.
Sounds like redemption. Never understood why that mechanic is used when half the players have no interest in it.
It hasn't really been used that much, and I haven't heard anyone criticize hydras until this very moment.
In post 72, Skelda wrote:I'll tell you one thing, this thread is really making me never want to play as a hydra because I feel like even if you win as a hydra, people are gonna be like "oh no, you were a hydra, such a huuuuuuge advantage" and it's almost like your win doesn't fully count. That sounds pretty depressing to me.
Sounds like redemption. Never understood why that mechanic is used when half the players have no interest in it.
Once the hydra discussion is done I'd be interested in a series looking at specific mechanics from previous games, analyzing what worked and what didn't, and discussing the benefits and disadvantages of the mechanic in general and I was thinking of starting off with Redemption twists.
In post 3, Skelda wrote:I'm curious to know if we think hydraing is an advantage or a disadvantage for the players in the game
Imo, it is an advantage strategically as you get someone to bounce ideas off of. It doesn't matter for challenges, given the barely survivor rules where you are forced to trade off. Socially I think it is a disadvantage somewhat, as it is really hard to manage.
In post 63, Silverclaw wrote:I got to play with June during the marathon survivor if it helps, and she's actually really good on her own too. This was a situation where literally no one in the game but me would have possibly known who she was, and June was a total standout player. I'm confident in her ability.
I think this is the solution. Occasionally run all hydra games, there seemed to be a lot of interest. For what it's worth, I was very happy that June and I got to play together as she wouldn't have signed up otherwise and now that she got a taste she is interested in playing more. But we probably won't seek out being in a hydra again short of an all hydra game as we are now both invested and interested in how well we do individually.
I really doubt you could wrangle two dozen players willing to be in hydras for a 12-slot game with any sort of regularity. I think it'd be fun to do once but also the appeal seems like it'll dry out very fast since there's really not a ton of design space with a 12-slot game. Like we've only been talking about doing it as BB, because Survivor isn't going to be feasible.
I guess my definition of occasionally is like every other year? I don't think people who want to be in hydras should be prioritized over people who don't like them and I was prepared to play alone. An option could be to ask on the sign up form and only allow them if everyone is ok with them.
In post 87, D3f3nd3r wrote:I really doubt you could wrangle two dozen players willing to be in hydras for a 12-slot game with any sort of regularity. I think it'd be fun to do once but also the appeal seems like it'll dry out very fast since there's really not a ton of design space with a 12-slot game. Like we've only been talking about doing it as BB, because Survivor isn't going to be feasible.
all hydra game but the twist is SOMEONE secretly isn't a hydra
In post 87, D3f3nd3r wrote:I really doubt you could wrangle two dozen players willing to be in hydras for a 12-slot game with any sort of regularity. I think it'd be fun to do once but also the appeal seems like it'll dry out very fast since there's really not a ton of design space with a 12-slot game. Like we've only been talking about doing it as BB, because Survivor isn't going to be feasible.
The horrible part is that with a 12 person hydra BB game...you're essentially PMing/getting to know 22 people on round one! It would be insane trying to keep track of everyone.
Playing a hydra in a survivor game was extremely fun and I will forever treasure that game, but there is no way they should be allowed normally.
The advantage to it if both players are actually trying to win is too big.
It might be acceptable if it's public knowledge but only then. imo
Blood vs. Water setup is probably better than an all hydra game
In post 72, Skelda wrote:I'll tell you one thing, this thread is really making me never want to play as a hydra because I feel like even if you win as a hydra, people are gonna be like "oh no, you were a hydra, such a huuuuuuge advantage" and it's almost like your win doesn't fully count. That sounds pretty depressing to me.
Like I'm mostly against hydras and returnees on a game design level, but for me- the job of survivor is to play the best you can and adapt to the twists in the game, so like I don't really think it'd be fair to immediately discount a returnee or hydra just because they made it that far in a game that allowed it. Because at the point that they lose an ftc instantly off of that seems fucked up. And so if you can prove you best adapted and played to the mechanics allowed, then you absolutely deserve my vote. But I may be in the minority regarding this view.
Yeah... it was kind of secondhand embarrassing reading reck's FTC posts at the end of barely survivor. It was more feeling bad for him than ourselves though since I know there's at least one person like that in each game for the most part. Having people who don't want the winner to win is nothing new.
In post 98, Awoo wrote:Yeah... it was kind of secondhand embarrassing reading reck's FTC posts at the end of barely survivor. It was more feeling bad for him than ourselves though since I know there's at least one person like that in each game for the most part. Having people who don't want the winner to win is nothing new.
