Web of Trust - Game Over

[KageLord]

/in

[KageLord]

/confirm

I suppose I would trust you back at the moment, mykonian, since we have to start somewhere.

[KageLord]

Trust: Wingless

[KageLord]

Kagelord trusts Wing, who trusts Drench. That makes that kagelord trusts drench. Drench trusts zodiark. Which means Kagelord trusts Zodiark too.

I don't think I want Kagelord in the group of 5.

lol I honestly didn't think about all the connections, but yeah, I guess so.

Think about it more closely though. Trusting other people doesn't really matter if you're scum. What matters for scum is for people to trust them. It's actually in town's best interest to get a feel around with as many people as possible before we have to make our 5-people webs. How do you propose we do that without first trusting other people? >>

[KageLord]

Think about it more closely though. Trusting other people doesn't really matter if you're scum. What matters for scum is for people to trust them. It's actually in town's best interest to get a feel around with as many people as possible before we have to make our 5-people webs. How do you propose we do that without first trusting other people? >>

By investigating. You don't vote people to find out if they flip town. You can't untrust.

And this post confirmed my read. Kagelord is trying to talk it straight again.

Huh... guess I probably should have read the revised rules fully.

Whatever. If you feel that way and you're actually town, looks like you'll have to try to win this with 5 townies (not impossible, just very difficult).

[KageLord]

Trust: Zodiark

[KageLord]

I'm going to be blunt, I see a scum between Drench and Kage.

This was my guess too... namely Drench. Which is why I didn't want to trust him. Kinda fell through now though since I transitive trusted. >>

Second guess is either myk or RC.

[KageLord]

So... looks like we're kinda screwed in this game, which is why I'm losing interest.

Town reads: Zodiark and Kit

Scum reads: Zang and myk

Everyone else is in the middle right now.

[KageLord]

So... looks like we're kinda screwed in this game, which is why I'm losing interest.

Town reads: Zodiark and Kit

Scum reads: Zang and myk

Everyone else is in the middle right now.

You are aware that 2 scum is all you need? So, why are we losing?

If you bandwagon, do it smart.

Because, as you pointed out, we have a division in town. And since you want to exclude me, a townie, that means you have 1 less shot at it even if everyone else comes to your side. If you look at it from my perspective and assume I'm town, doesn't that look bleak to you too?

[KageLord]

uhm, no. If you actually believed that Zang and I were scum (which you obviously don't, because you aren't stupid), this web of trust could be formed:

You
Wing
zodiar
Drench
Kito

This could be done right now. However, you don't. This game is only split in case you assume that of "my" web of trust are town. I'm confident of that. You said you aren't. But you didn't act like it.

I said those were my reads. Didn't say I was confident enough to actually risk a second collapse at this point.

[KageLord]

*sigh*

Well, only way we'll know is to try, I suppose.

Trust Kitoari

[KageLord]

*sigh*

Well, only way we'll know is to try, I suppose.

Trust Kitoari

Am I the only one seeing how KageLord already knows the outcome? And then he play's that he could try anyway. obvscum.

I don't know the outcome. For all I know, we win when Drench's replacement finishes the web. However, I think it unlikely. Even though my main scum reads (namely you and Zang) are out of the web, it seems unlikely to win this kind of game in the second try.

If you saw Resistance Blue, you can see how hard it is to win in this kind of game (and that one was easier because you got info from voting on proposals as well as info from outcomes). That being said, I was in Resistance Orange, where we owned the Empire. I just don't get that kind of thoughtfully cooperative feel here that I got there. We'll see how it goes, I guess.

[KageLord]

I'd be opposed. I would say to switch you with Zang to make it better.

[KageLord]

Kagelord - zang as scumteam?

But seriously, I'm not really going to listen to your opinions. If there are 5 players that agree on a group, that group will form. If I had to choose, you had very little influence in that.

I know you won't. Which is why I didn't make the post for your benefit. Why would I care if scum openly agree with my plan?

To make it even easier on the rest of town to decide, I left myself out of the plan. You can't really trust a plan where someone wants to put themselves on it. Well... at least in this game you can't.

[KageLord]

Actually, thinking about it more, maybe: Zodiark, Kitoari, JDGA, RC, Zang?

[KageLord]

Actually, thinking about it more, maybe: Zodiark, Kitoari, JDGA, RC, Zang?

Same thing again. You are quite eager to place Zang into it as soon as you have to go out. Or maybe you are certain things are going right because JDGA is in that group.

There is the point, btw: why are you excluding yourself if you are town? That really makes no sense. You are trying to look townie, and not actually town.

Of course I am eager to place Zang. The alternative would be you. I purposely wanted Zang left out last time, but if I had to pick between you two, I'd go Zang. And JDGA I'm throwing in just because I'm hoping that if he was scum, the mod would have had Drench replaced sooner. Other than that, I'm not sure JDGA has done enough to actually get a read (more than just a blind guess).

I'm excluding myself because, apparently, people think I'm scum. As a townie, if you're thought to be scum, you can't put yourself on a plan or it's doomed to fail. For example,

any

plan you propose that has you on it certainly won't be okay with me (and apparently Zodiark who also thought you were scum). So this is the best alternative to get people that I think are town on it. The problem is, with this kind of game, a lot of it is just guessing without much evidence either way.

[KageLord]

Yer... I'd be happier with Kitoari's than Wingless's.

[KageLord]

Go for it myk's way. It will at least tell us something.

[KageLord]

I still say go with mykonian's web idea. >.>

[KageLord]

I have a very strong townread on Kage. Obvtown really.

Other than that, RC and mykonian (D3 play changed my mind on him).

[KageLord]

Sigh, this game is going nowhere fast. Kage's latest post feels of scum trying too hard to seem obvtown to me.

Your post feels of scum trying too hard to seem obvtown to me.

See, I can do that too. It's easy when you don't have to have any reasoning/logic behind it.

[KageLord]

Oh. lol. Shows how much attention I've been paying. I thought you replaced Zang.

Make that LL-myk-me-Kito-Zodiark as my suggestion.

[KageLord]

If Kage is scum, his partner is JDGA/Wingless/Zang.

Really? I don't think scum would leave their partner out of their suggestions. Nothing to lose by putting them in. Anyway, I'm not scum so I couldn't really say with much certainty what they would do in this game.

Also, given the result of Web 3, it's impossible for me to be scum with JDGA (or Zodiark).

[KageLord]

Sorry. What I edited out (and LL can attest to this) was me not realizing LL and RC were the same slot.

[KageLord]

Sigh, this game is going nowhere fast. Kage's latest post feels of scum trying too hard to seem obvtown to me.

Your post feels of scum trying too hard to seem obvtown to me.

See, I can do that too. It's easy when you don't have to have any reasoning/logic behind it.

Care to hazard a guess as to why you are the only one responding as such to my post? Cause everyone else sees my reason. Your reason is just a mindless attack at me.

lol this is definitely going to be seen as AtE or something, but I can't wait until I flip town and you have to explain that.

If Kage is scum, his partner is JDGA/Wingless/Zang.

Really? I don't think scum would leave their partner out of their suggestions. Nothing to lose by putting them in. Anyway, I'm not scum so I couldn't really say with much certainty what they would do in this game.

Also, given the result of Web 3, it's impossible for me to be scum with JDGA (or Zodiark).

The only correct thing in this post is that scum have nothing to lose by adding their buddy to the group, although they have nothing to gain either, as only one scum is needed, meaning your final point is also void.

a) If there is

at least one Virus in it

, the Webs of Trust collapse and the all the quicktopics get closed. Every Trust will be reset.

Web 3 says nothing as to weather me and JDGA are your buddies or not. This post is nothing more that WIFOM, and based on incorrect information at that.

Er... I don't see your point. In Web 3, the ones left out were you, me, and JDGA. The web collapsed. That means at least one of the five in the web were virus. Since there are only two viruses, that means it's impossible for any two people left out of a collapsed web to be scumbuddies.

Kinda simple logic that myk has already pointed out at least once...

[KageLord]

WALL POST
My iso on KL

post 2: Trust's wingless out the gate
post 3: logic/fluff
post 4: bit fluffy
post 5: Trust zod.
post 6: thinks dench is scummy
post 7: whines, thinks zang and myk are scum
post 8: as fluffly as a good pillow
post 9: concedes to myk
post 10: trust's kit
post 11: fluff(?)
post 12: futher distrust in myk, suggest a web with my slot
post 13: tiff with myk, provides a suggestion
post 14: suggests a web: Kit, Zod, JDGA, LadyL's slot, and my slot
post 15: WIFOM maybe?
posts 16-18: sucks up to myk
post 19: lolscum, now reads LadyL's slot, myk as town.
post 20: retort's to zod
post 21: suggests LL, myk, KL, zod, kit
post 22: argues impossible for him to be scum
post 23: gets LL to help him make a case(?)
post 24: dismisses one arguement as AtE, makes little sence to anoter <==reread needed


in short i think wing and KL are scum becuase two reasons.
A) KL never mentions Wing EVER except post 2 where he trusts him.
B) after attacking myk for most of the game he starts bouncing a little and sucking up to myk.

also: taking back what i said about JDGA as scum but he needs to post more.
KL: please respond to this because i need to hear why you are not scum.

First of all, the descriptions of post 22 and 23 are just wrong. Read closer. >.>

Anyway, the reason I didn't mention Wingless is just that I had nothing to say about Wingless. I couldn't tell you two things he has done in this game (besides being part of every web somehow and that info came from you). Also, might be WIFOM, but again, why wouldn't I try to suggest Wingless in a web?

As for the myk situation, my read changed on him. Simple as that. I never sucked up to him. I said his plan was good, which (pretty much) objectively it was. My read on him changed mostly because he actually cared to try things. Scum in this game could just sit back and watch town exclude each other. Lurking obviously isn't really punished here. I realized my initial scum read on him was based more on OMGUS and disliking his playstyle than anything else, so there was no reason not to change the read.

[KageLord]

If Kage is scum, his partner is JDGA/Wingless/Zang.

Really? I don't think scum would leave their partner out of their suggestions. Nothing to lose by putting them in.

Anyway, I'm not scum so I couldn't really say with much certainty what they would do in this game.

Also, given the result of Web 3,

it's impossible for me to be scum

with JDGA (or Zodiark).

For some reason I smell a wifom here... but i'll give you the one about 22, you were responding to someone calling you out on modding your posts

Yeah... I did say it was WIFOMy.

But I didn't say it's impossible for me to be scum. I said it's impossible for me to be scum

with JDGA or Zodiark

. That's just a fact that anyone can know for sure. Cutting out the rest of the sentence is a misrep.

As for the myk situation, my read changed on him. Simple as that. I never sucked up to him. I said his plan was good, which (pretty much) objectively it was. My read on him changed mostly because he actually cared to try things.

Scum in this game could just sit back and watch town exclude each other. Lurking obviously isn't really punished here.

I realized my initial scum read on him was based more on OMGUS and disliking his playstyle than anything else, so there was no reason not to change the read.

I would think that it would behoove scum to try and advertise trusting them proactively THEN sit back. I've also noted that about... lets say a little more than half? --of your posts were responses to suspicion.

Well, when I'm being suspected so much and I know it's wrongfully, what do you think I should do? I've already given my reads and reasons for my top 2 town reads, so all that's left is for me to defend myself. I'd be happy enough with a web like: myk, LL, me, Kito, kcda

[KageLord]

Good luck.

[KageLord]

Damn... replace myk with JDGA or Zodiark in the web I suggested and it was a win.

Ah well, good game. I would hope the next one has some way to help town. >.>