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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:45 pm

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Well no... xD
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:57 pm

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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:06 pm

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I still want to do the Marathon Survivor game. (THE TOPIC IS GONE!)

Anyone for this Sunday? I still have everything more or less set up for it.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:07 pm

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In post 77, T-Bone wrote:I still want to do the Marathon Survivor game. (THE TOPIC IS GONE!)

Anyone for this Sunday? I still have everything more or less set up for it.


That is actually devastating.

And if you're talking tomorrow/today, little short notice much?
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:08 pm

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It's already this Sunday for me. I mean next one. No sense trying to plan a date two months down the road.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:17 pm

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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:58 am

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Marathon Survivor next Sunday may work for me.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:09 am

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I think next sunday works for me. What time?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:13 am

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I would want to start at Noon EST, so both the west coasters and Brits have the opportunity to be around. I don't think I can make it accessible to the Aussies too though.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:16 am

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No Drench? Awwww.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:17 am

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saturdays EST are the only timezone-friendly days for everyone, since there are weekends available to cushion things

i'm definitely not staying up until 6 when i have to wake up at 6 for school, so yeah, aussies won't be able to make it

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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:21 am

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Saturday could be doable for me, but we'd have to start earlier to ensure we finish by 6pm EST

Let me make a topic for this.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:24 pm

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I have decided to move the discussion from the Pirate Master thread into this thread, where it belongs.

First off, I would like to apologize to Drench. I was overly harsh, and most of my accusations of 'shitting on the game' were moreso about the game itself than any particular decisions you made. I do still believe your gameplay was poor in comparison with Xalxe's.

I apologize to Xalxe as well. I didn't say anything directly against you, but I do feel you deserve an apology for my indirect harshness to others.

I do not, however, apologize for my criticism of the game itself and the fact that I believe the host (specifically Animorpherv1) ruined the integrity of the game.

I had let Animorpherv1 know of my criticisms from early on and also mentioned that I would be revealing them at the end of the game. I used the jury thread as an outlet and focused my anger/disappointment in the game towards Drench. I do apologize for that. At the time, however, I couldn't exaclty call out the moderators (specifically Animorpherv1) at that point without fear of being "punished".

My case for why the intergrity of the game was ruined is as follows.

[1]
According to Animorpherv1's ruling: A player who utilizes a Hidden Immunity Idol can still be eliminated at a Tribal Council.
Xalxe, Cybele, Drench, if any one of you played a hidden immunity idol but was still eliminated, there is 100% no doubt in my mind that you would no longer think the game made any sense/that you would complain about the game.


However, Animorpherv1 specifically made the judgment call that anyone who played a HII is no longer immune if a tie occurs. In authentic Survivor games, a HII means you are immune, no matter what the circumstances. This decision had a direct impact on the players and the outcome of the game. All major Survivor enthusiasts (as well as the c-omod Kloud) agree with me on this. This was one of the major rulings that upset me and made me lose faith in the game's integrity.

Furthermore, it is speculated that Animorpherv1 made this decision purely out of bias against Crazy for specifically self-voting. Crazy claims that Animorph said Gengar would be eliminated in the event of a tie but was not happy about Crazy purposely self-voting. Animorph may have been aware of Crazy's intentions. And despite whether Crazy's intentions were ethical or not, Animorph may have made his decision with bias specifically against Crazy (and disregarding the integrity of the game) in order to "punish" Crazy (and also punishing Machamp, who had done nothing). As I said, this is purely speculation. And it can not be proved one one or the other. It is, however, motive for direct disregard of the game based on bias.

Also, I found it incredibly hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to state that I "undermined my entire knowledge of Survivor" when he himself in the one with the lack of understanding of Survivor and being "Immune". I also find it hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to say I do not have a "right to be an ass" to someone who was an ass to me (Drench). Yet Animorpherv1 himself is being an ass to me purely because I was an ass.

...

With all that said. I do apologive if I ruined anyone's fun in the Survivor: Pokemon game. My fun was ruined the moments Animorpherv1 disregarded several of the Survivor rules and made this and a few other "unfair" rulings that affected the game and made little sense. I do however applaud Kloud and Animorpherv1 for hosting the game and thank you for taking the time to do so.

That is all.

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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:35 pm

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I don't even know where to start with that.

In authentic Survivor games, a HII means you are immune, no matter what the circumstances.


Since when do my rules have to follow the exact same pattern as the others? I see no rules anywhere that my game has to be the exact same as every other in existence. Find it for me.

Furthermore, it is speculated that Animorpherv1 made this decision purely out of bias against Crazy for specifically self-voting. Crazy claims that Animorph said Gengar would be eliminated in the event of a tie but was not happy about Crazy purposely self-voting. Animorph may have been aware of Crazy's intentions. And despite whether Crazy's intentions were ethical or not, Animorph may have made his decision with bias specifically against Crazy (and disregarding the integrity of the game) in order to "punish" Crazy (and also punishing Machamp, who had done nothing). As I said, this is purely speculation. And it can not be proved one one or the other. It is, however, motive for direct disregard of the game based on bias.


Lies. I never once punished Crazy for this other than his self vote. Although I should have, I believe.

Also, I found it incredibly hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to state that I "undermined my entire knowledge of Survivor" when he himself in the one with the lack of understanding of Survivor and being "Immune". I also find it hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to say I do not have a "right to be an ass" to someone who was an ass to me (Drench). Yet Animorpherv1 himself is being an ass to me purely because I was an ass.


When was Drench being an ass to you all game? And I don't apologize for being "hypocritical" as I don't believe you deserve the win in Pirate Masters in any way shape or form, because you did next to nothing all game. Xalxe and I were the ones that came up with all the plans.


Keep on whining that you're not getting your way. It gets you places with other whiny babies.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:48 pm

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In post 87, Blackberry wrote:
Cybele, if any one of you played a hidden immunity idol but was still eliminated, there is 100% no doubt in my mind that you would no longer think the game made any sense/that you would complain about the game.
I disagree with this assumption. Since it was a decision made prior to the event, as long as it is consistently enforced, and there is a clear line of logic for it, and doesn't clearly advantage some players over others, I don't fucking care. The decision simply was:
In the event of a tie-breaker, all circumstances previously altering the number of votes received will be negated.
This was previously applied to Chansey's modvotes, for example. It is, in the end, the moderator's decision, and not one that I feel really ruins the integrity of the game.
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:48 pm

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In real Survivor, you don't have to worry about self-votes.
Fickle, cold and harsh or caring and warm
Strongly opinionated or barely invested, but a constant
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:51 pm

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First off, stating that I am "whining" and being a "whiny baby" only demeans your character (IMO).

I am apologizing for what I did wrong, and making a statement about my beliefs.

I only ask other players:
If you were playing a game, played a HII, and were eliminated, true or false, you would complain/think poorly of the game.

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At Cybele - the decision was not made previously before the game. Kloud disagreed with the decision and believe said person playing a HII should be Immune.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:54 pm

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In post 91, Blackberry wrote:First off, stating that I am "whining" and being a "whiny baby" only demeans your character (IMO).


THE FUCKS I GIVE.

THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE SKY.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 12:55 pm

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I'd like kloud's comment on this before I reply, I guess.
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:13 pm

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In post 92, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 91, Blackberry wrote:First off, stating that I am "whining" and being a "whiny baby" only demeans your character (IMO).


THE FUCKS I GIVE.

THEY ARE FALLING OUT OF THE SKY.


lol

I will read and respond to Blackberry's blustering in a few.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:45 pm

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In post 87, Blackberry wrote:
I apologize to Xalxe as well. I didn't say anything directly against you, but I do feel you deserve an apology for my indirect harshness to others.


Oh didn't you. Oh really. What happened to "we should all vote for Dragonite lololol?" Because that was fairly well directly against me.

In post 87, Blackberry wrote:
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According to Animorpherv1's ruling: A player who utilizes a Hidden Immunity Idol can still be eliminated at a Tribal Council.
Xalxe, Cybele, Drench, if any one of you played a hidden immunity idol but was still eliminated, there is 100% no doubt in my mind that you would no longer think the game made any sense/that you would complain about the game.


However, Animorpherv1 specifically made the judgment call that anyone who played a HII is no longer immune if a tie occurs. In authentic Survivor games, a HII means you are immune, no matter what the circumstances. This decision had a direct impact on the players and the outcome of the game. All major Survivor enthusiasts (as well as the c-omod Kloud) agree with me on this. This was one of the major rulings that upset me and made me lose faith in the game's integrity.


Okay I'm confused here. Where did anybody play an Idol and then get eliminated precisely? Because yes, that would be wrong. But that
never happened
, so I'm not really sure what the fuck your issue is here.

In addition, I would like to point out most excellent use of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy ("authentic Survivor games"). In addition, you are full of shit. In particular, I point you to Survivor: Pandemonium, where players who sat out of challenges were Immune should their tribe lose. Did you throw a fit about this? No, and I suspect that it is due to the fact that in that game, you
weren't an insufferable prick
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In post 87, Blackberry wrote:Furthermore, it is speculated that Animorpherv1 made this decision purely out of bias against Crazy for specifically self-voting. Crazy claims that Animorph said Gengar would be eliminated in the event of a tie but was not happy about Crazy purposely self-voting. Animorph may have been aware of Crazy's intentions. And despite whether Crazy's intentions were ethical or not, Animorph may have made his decision with bias specifically against Crazy (and disregarding the integrity of the game) in order to "punish" Crazy (and also punishing Machamp, who had done nothing). As I said, this is purely speculation. And it can not be proved one one or the other. It is, however, motive for direct disregard of the game based on bias.


Logs or it didn't happen.

In post 87, Blackberry wrote:Also, I found it incredibly hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to state that I "undermined my entire knowledge of Survivor" when he himself in the one with the lack of understanding of Survivor and being "Immune". I also find it hypocritical of Animorpherv1 to say I do not have a "right to be an ass" to someone who was an ass to me (Drench). Yet Animorpherv1 himself is being an ass to me purely because I was an ass.


Blackberry. No. You're full of shit. ani is an ass to you because you were an ass in his game. You are an ass to Drench because...wait why? He was mean to you on the Jury? Poor baby. Suck it up and deal. If you notice, I was on the brink of just going to town on you but I didn't because I knew it wouldn't make me friends, but I'm fed up with your shit.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:17 pm

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Xalxe, to be honest, if your intention of your post is to attack me and side with Ani, you're doing a very poor job. If you wish to take part in the discussion, I do ask that you actually READ and consider all sides instead of just flinging mud and hoping it sticks. Because right now, you have very poor responses (in terms of comprehension of everything I stated) and pretty much just told Ani "Yes, I agree with BB that anyone who plays a HII should be immune and you made a mistake in that TC".

A) I am trying to apologize. Who takes an apology and responds with attacking the person apologizing?

B) Read the game and the rules. If you state "Where did anybody play an Idol and then get eliminated precisely? Because yes, that would be wrong." then Gengar should have gotten out the TC that Machamp did. Gengar was saved because Dragonite was "at risk" and thus tied with Gengar. If you genuinely believe that anyone that plays a HII shouldn't be eliminated under any circumstances, then Gengar should have legitimately been eliminated at that TC and Machamp should have stayed in the game.

C) Animorph and Crazy will admit everything I just said. The only question is whether his decision had bias or not. My comment is that it is just speculation. But it does provide motive. I don't think Ani is going to lie and say "none of that ever happened". He already admitted it did.

D) Drench has been brutal to me on the mafiascum forums for absolutely no reason (not in the game of SSI).
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:37 pm

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In post 96, Blackberry wrote:C) Animorph and Crazy will admit everything I just said. The only question is whether his decision had bias or not. My comment is that it is just speculation. But it does provide motive. I don't think Ani is going to lie and say "none of that ever happened". He already admitted it did.


In post 88, animorpherv1 wrote:
Furthermore, it is speculated that Animorpherv1 made this decision purely out of bias against Crazy for specifically self-voting. Crazy claims that Animorph said Gengar would be eliminated in the event of a tie but was not happy about Crazy purposely self-voting. Animorph may have been aware of Crazy's intentions. And despite whether Crazy's intentions were ethical or not, Animorph may have made his decision with bias specifically against Crazy (and disregarding the integrity of the game) in order to "punish" Crazy (and also punishing Machamp, who had done nothing). As I said, this is purely speculation. And it can not be proved one one or the other. It is, however, motive for direct disregard of the game based on bias.


Lies. I never once punished Crazy for this other than his self vote. Although I should have, I believe
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:40 pm

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What exactly do you deny Animorph?

You just admitted on facebook chat "Yes I told Crazy that Gengar would go but that was a mistake".

You were clearly upset/mad at Crazy for purposely self-voting, as suggested by kloud's post in the thread, you asking Crazy not to self-vote, and your post about not manipulating the rules, as well as AIM Chats between me and you.

So motive was clearly there.
What part do you deny?


Xalxe said "logs or it didn't happen". Everything that was said is already confirmed to have happened by you/me/Crazy.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:47 pm

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I only gave kloud the self-vote. That's it.

Also, I'm confused as to what you're doing. Crazy and Kage had both self voted that round. Henceforth, the first tiebreaker is auto skipped, no matter what happens.
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