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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:25 pm

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TRIBAL COUNCIL #11: INSTRUCTIONS


Welcome to your eleventh Tribal Council. It is fairly simple. Everybody will cast one vote. The person that recieves the most votes will be eliminated. If you do not submit a vote your vote will count against yourself . All votes must be PMed to me (Blackberry). If you have any questions feel free to PM them to me or post them in the thread.


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Eteocles
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SPIDER IMMUNITY NECKLACE
and may not be voted for.


Iammars and KaleiÐoscøpe must vote for eachother and thus cancel eachother out. Eteocles will be casting the only ballet. Send it to me VIA PM. Do not post it in the thread.


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    [*] Iammars
    [*] KaleiÐoscøpe
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Deadline will be Friday, February 1st by 10:00 PM Est.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:27 pm

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Oh boy...
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:30 pm

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I hope you realise what's going on Iammars...
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:43 pm

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Yeah, I just figured it out.
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:59 pm

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I figured that people would think I said the cow quote, so I smiled when I saw it.
jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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jdodge1019: he's not a liberal
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:39 pm

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Iammars. I feel like there is a lot I should say. We only started talking after Elias got voted out, but then I approached you for an alliance. If I remember correctly I was very sneaky in the wording. I said something like "we both need someone to get through the last half of the game with". Now I just can't help feeling bad that I chose you because I thought you were the nicest and the most naive. Kaleidoscope has been my partner ever since day one and we have been playing this game to get to the final two together. It is just now that I can't help but feel sorry for all the people I have betrayed in this game. I know this is just a game and everything, and an online one at that, but I still feel guilty.

So, I was thinking about doing what Skruffs did, and lay to rest the immunity necklace in the swamp, giving my two other competitors a chance to betray me, but I think Iammars knows he is going and I might as well just pull the band-aid off all at once. My vote is for you Iammars, I don't expect your vote but I hope you can forgive me.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:53 pm

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TRIBAL COUNCIL #11


Welcome to your eleventh Tribal Council. Iammars and KaleiÐoscøpe are the only two vulnerable for elimination. I will now read the vote, the person with the most vote will leave immiediately.


First/Only/Last Vote...

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and Eleventh Person to leave Shadow Swamps...

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Iammars.


Iammars, with one vote, the tribe has spoken. Please hand me your torch and leave immiediately. Cerberus emerges from the darkness and escorts Iammars away. Everybody else may head back to camp. Prepare for the FINAL TWO!



Iammars, you may post final words in the thread now.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:07 pm

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THE FINAL TWO: OPENING STATEMENTS


Eteocles and KaleiÐoscøpe

It is now time for the final two to give opening statements. Please send your opening statements to me in a PM. Below, I have listed your Jury Members. I am not messaging them to inform them of their duty. If for some reason that jury member does not wish to take part or is no longer active, whoever was voted off most recently will take their place (aka 10th place, 11th place, etc.)


THE JURY:

Iammars (confirmed)

Skitzer

Bethelmark

Scotmany12 (confirmed)

Hasdgfas

JDodge (confirmed)

Elias_the_thief (confirmed)
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:24 pm

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Final Words:

Eh, typical. The whole game is about betrayal and what do I not think is going to happen? Someone betrays me.

The fact that I made it to the Final Three of a Survivor game is important though. Had I not made the alliance in the first place with Eteocles, I probably would have had no chance of making it thus far. So, even though you betrayed me, thanks for choosing me to betray. I had fun.

(Bet you weren't expecting that!)
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:10 am

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THE FINAL TWO: OPENING STATEMENTS


KaleiÐoscøpe:


[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Well, I think there is alot to be said. First of all, I think as myself as a winner already: the initial plan was to enter the finals with Eteocles, and it happened. Second, I believe Eteocles deserves to win this game just as much as me, though the way he played this game is of course a little different then me.

When the game started, I was planning to contact four people for a possible alliance: Elias, Eteocles, Bethelmark and Jdodge. The color contest was a good excuse to do so. When I got online on AIM, I spoke to those people if they were online. Elias didn't seem that interested, and after a short conversation, we came to a commitment of not voting each other off the first couple of rounds. Of course, that's quite non-telling, so I assumed he already had his roots out. Bethelmark didn't seem interested in talking in the first place, so I assumed the same. As jdodge wasn't online at that moment, I talked to Eteocles. I took an hour to convince him I was trustable, as he was being very cautious and thinking I was up to something.

So, I got an alliance I wanted. Eteocles told me there were already alliances formed: one with him, bird, skitzer, iammars, bethelmark and elias involved and another one starring jdodge, flameaxe, scot, hasdfgas and elias (where Porochaz and Gipsy stood at that moment was unknown to me). He told me I shouldn't be suprised if I got asked by Jdodge to join that alliance. He was right: not one hour later, Jdodge got online and asked me for the alliance. I of course said yes, because it gave me some safety in the game. Eteocles and me compromised to keep our alliance as a secret, as it might work in our advantage that way. When the time was right, we would make a decision which alliance to support.

With the first voting, I knew where the voting was headed. Of course, at that time, my router imploded and couldn't submit a vote. When I came back, Gipsy was voted off.

The next round was an interesting one: I had the decision to either vote Flameaxe and Bird1111. First, I voted Bird1111 just to made a good impression towards JDodge, but when it went into a tie, I saw no reason not to change my vote.

Onto round three, I wasn't really paying much attention. It was a week where I had no interesting in playing games that much. When I came back, I didn't talk to anyone as of yet, and voting was right around the corner. I submitted a random name: Elias. When the results got posted, I narrowly escaped the chopping block, and realised it wouldn't be wise to lurk anymore in the future, so I didn't. In this round, Eteo didn't vote on purpose just to not feel bad against Bird1111 getting voted out.

Round four wasn't really interesting. I don't actually remember much what happened here, just that I knew the voting went to Porochaz so I went along with it. Eteo didn't vote on purpose again, just because he felt guilty if he would vote Porochaz

Well, round five was the round where alot of the game was decided. Jdodge contacted me to vote out hasdgfas, which seemed really odd to me. He didn't gave any reasons for it, he just noted it. I was getting suspicious that this was a hint that my alliance would try to vote me off. I talked to Eteocles, who was talking to Jdodge and Elias at that time. He sent me a log of a conversation between JDodge and Elias, which obviously seemed edited. It said the voting would go to bethelmark. I then knew it was a whole lie. We got misinformed on purpose, so either hasdfgas or me would be voted out if everything went according to plan. I was furious, and talked about Eteocles that this might be a good time to throw out one of the two (Elias and Dodgy). I suggested Elias, and Eteo agreed that he could become a serious threat.
The voting confirmed my suspicions, and I was lucky that I survived this round. When there was a revote, I knew the odds would be in my favor: if you have a chance to throw out Elias, you grab it with both hands unless he offers you something. I purposely posted the comment that people possibly were naive enough to believe Elias' lies. It had nothing to do with me being scared, but mainly to let people think about Elias and how he plays. In the revote, Elias got voted off, and a new era in the game started.

I think after Elias got voted out, alot of people were confused. As expected, Jdodge talked to me. He told me the initial idea for voting me came from Elias, and he asked me to return to the old alliance. I said yes on purpose, because I knew he was in a weaker position then me anyway. I think I would've voted along if he didn't suggest to vote out Eteocles. In the voting, Jdodge got voted out with 5-3.

After Jdodge got voted out, Eteocles and I knew we were getting close now, so we talked alot more. I suggested it might be a good idea to find someone to take to the F3, so we could slide through the F5/F4 easier. We both agreed Iammars would be a good.
Now, coming to a agreement on who to vote out was a lot tougher. I rather saw hasdfgas and bethelmark leave, while Eteo desperatly wanted scotmany12 out. Only later I found out he thought me and scot were up to something. Scot got immunity, so hasdfgas was the obvious second choice. When the vote results got posted and I was on there again, I was thinking Iammars and Skitzer might were up to something.

So during the next voting, I suggested Bethelmark and Skitzer were good targets to vote out. This made Eteo suspicious again about me working with Scotmany12. I said I would only agree with voting out Scot if he knew for sure the other three weren't up to something. It was to late to make any slip-ups at the end, so I had to be sure. We talked and talked, and I agreed to vote out Scot.

So, we entered the final five. At this point, Eteocles had full support of Iammars and made him believe that he was the one leading the votes now. This was only true because I was last on the list, so I would make F3 that way anyway.
At this time, bethelmark contacted me, asking for an alliance with skitzer and him. I was excited, because it ment our secret alliance worked: people believed Eteocles would go with Iammars to the F2. At this time, I was merely playing with Bethelmark. I had no intention to work with bethelmark as he didn't had it with me about whole game. I gave him hope when I kept talking about the chances it would work, and I even offered him F2 to keep it realistic. Of course, with the voting, he got voted off with 3 against 2.

The only concerns late game were mainly the immunity challenges. I didn't want Skitzer and Iammars to win those. Luckily for us, we both busted them out in the element challenge. When eteo got immunity, I, on purpose, pm'd Skitzer to offer him F2. He never responded, but he instead went to Eteo to ask if the old alliance still stood. Eteo noted skitzer that he tried to vote him out. During the voting, Skitzer was swiped out cleanly.

The final three was exciting. We had to make sure Iammars wouldn't win the immunity challenge, so I suggested that it would be wise to switch our numbers (Eteo's and mine) and sent those to Iammars, then ask for his. It worked, and Eteo won the immunity. Eteo told me he truelly hated it when he had to betray Iammars, but it was a must. It's part of the game, in order to win.

This is how I played the game. Let me add I have no guilt feelings towards anyone when I voted them out. It is part of the game, and I know people would have no merci with me if I needed to be voted off.

The reasons I should win this are actually very minor reasons: I've purposely taken a risky position in order to make it to the finals, while Eteo played a more safe game. I've never won immunity, got runner up in votes at least 4 times, and I've got betrayed at a crucial moment which could've ment me getting thrown out. I took the risk because I trust Eteocles. Because of this game, I think we became good friends. That doesn't mean I didn't calculate the risk that Eteocles might have been playing with me, but it was a matter of trust in that. If Eteocles would win this game, I wouldn't feel sad, as he deserves to win this just as much.

There are probably several topics I missed out when writing this, but the events happened are huge, so I can't remember them all. I hope you all still <3 me, because I still <3 u all =).

Greets KaleiÐoscøpe.[/quote]

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[quote="Eteocles"]Jury,
Wow. It’s a lot easier to make it to the end than make your case why you should win. I want to keep this short as I am not really sure what to say, and I am sure your questions will be more useful. As everyone knows now, Kaleidoscope and I were each others partners in this game. We managed to pull this off without too much suspicion, especially from others who considered us allies. Every decision I have made has been to bring us here. I never expected that it would turn out so flawlessly.

When I signed up for this game I never expected anything special. I sought out an alliance with Bird1111 and bethelmark because they were in my first survivor game and I thought they would be eager for an alliance. Iammars and Elias joined the alliance and we had five. Right off the bat Elias joined with JDodge’s side too and that worried me. I found myself talking to K-Scope about the colors challenge, even though I had already been able to work out his color correctly. I forget exactly what went down during that conversation, but I figured out that Jdodge hadn’t already gotten to him and we decided that he would join the Jdodge team, and I would be on the Bird1111 team. We would try to keep the sides even until we had a chance to make a big move. I had to self vote myself twice so that bird1111 and porochaz would be eliminated. Good thing they aren’t on the jury. Heh.

That big move turned out to be voting out Elias. Elias was the pin in the game holding everything together. He had alliances and allegiances everywhere. Taking that pin out, there was a risk that everything would fall on top of us, but if everything worked out right it would put Kaleidoscope and I on top. K-Scope was already in danger of going that week, so why not try? Even though that was the move that won us the game, I am now starting to regret it. Elias took it very badly, and I hope he will forgive me and we can be friends.

From there, you already know about how I aligned with Iammars, and how I got to the final 3.

I think that is about it. Sometimes I had a great time with this game, sometimes I felt horrible about betraying and using people, but overall I think I had fun. Kaleidoscope has been a great partner and I don’t have anything bad to say about him. Whoever wins, I will be more than happy with any outcome.[/quote]
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:13 am

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THE FINAL TWO: JUROR QUESTIONS/COMMENTS


Dear Jury Members,

You have no heard the Final Two's opening statements. It is now time to comment/ask any questions you have for the Final Two. Send me a PM with all/any questions/comments you have for the Final Two. Once I have all seven submissions I will post them in the thread and the Final Two will respond to them. Send in your comments/questions, ASAP!


THE JURY:

Iammars

Skitzer

Bethelmark

Scotmany12

Hasdgfas

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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:42 am

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THE FINAL TWO: JUROR QUESTIONS/COMMENTS


Below are the questions/comments submitted by the Juror Members.


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Elias_the_thief wrote:To Eteo: first a few comments:

1) I was actually already aligned with dodge before I contacted you. My original intention was to join with you AND dodge, but when I asked for your position you informed me you had a little deal with some people already. Or perhaps I heard that from another person in your group. Regardless, I came to you second as Dodge was online when I first signed up.

2) I would like to point out that the elimination of yours truly was less a move and more a stroke of luck. For one, Dodge was afraid of my connections, and was so paranoid he wanted to take out one of his own, for reasons that I will never truly understood. Originally he suggested Hasdgfas, as he was my ally, but somehow I turned the discussion to Kscope, which turned to be an unlucky choice. Anyhoo, even after that bit of luck I would have lasted, were it not for Ever/Flame (dont remember which) forgetting to vote. Of all the times to not vote, it had to be then (I do not suspect purposeful negligence. There was no adv. gained). This little bit of extra time gave Eteo and Kscope all the time they needed to convince Bethel that I was out to get him and that I would simply betray him. Ironically, after he betrayed me, he was backstabbed and discarded by the very people who claimed to be protecting him. So in order to protect my vanity, I would not declare what you did a move. I would declare it getting lucky.

Now the questions:
1) What exactly was the purpose of voting me out rather than Jdodge? We both sat at the head of the opposing alliance, but why me as opposed to him? (This will probably be crucial in deciding whether to reconsider and vote you)

2) Do you honestly think that your betrayals are made any less sinister by not voting? Your actions still put the cogs into motion.

Scope: Comment

1) You suck. But you played the game pretty damn well. Your alliance with Eteo on the side is probably the only thing that i was unaware of in the game (besides of course the time i was voted out, but thats only because bethel is an idiot). For that I respect you, and you'll probably have my vote.

Question:
1) Why did you suggest me as oppose to Dodge?

2) How much about my dealings were you aware of through Eteo?
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JDodge wrote:Eteo: Why didn't you have the guts to come forth and say you were going to backstab me?

Scopey: Why didn't you just come out and tell me it was you that went after BBM, even after you were admitting to me the vast majority of your plans thus far?
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hasdgfas wrote:I have a question for both:
Is there a reason you didn't talk to everyone to see where they stood before making choices with regards to your votee choices? I played this game far too passively, without searching for something. I wanted that something to come to me, which turned out to be a mistake. Is there a reason you didn't decide to come talk to me at any point during the game? Other than that, a great game played by both of you.
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scotmany12 wrote:Kscope: What separates you from eteo? From what I see, eteo carried you to the final two. Do you have anything to say to make me thing otherwise?

Eteo: Not much to say to you. I do want to know why you felt like you needed to lie to me in the first challenge.
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bethelmark wrote:Well, I'm going to let you guys know right now that I'm not holding any grudges about this game; you guys did what you needed to do when I was voted out, and I'm not mad at you for it.

With that said, my vote is up for grabs tonight. It seems like you guys were a final 2 pair for a while, and I can't really differentiate your gameplay too much. My question tonight for each of you is twofold:

1) Why doesn't your opponent deserve to get my vote?
2) If you were to lose tonight, what would you say was the biggest flaw in your gameplay?
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skitzer wrote:OPENING STATEMENT:
First, congratulations to both of you. You played a Survivor game like it should be played. Now, I expected to be the first player eliminated, so you can imagine I have many questions to both of you.

The first is to both of you: I think I was the only one (maybe except for Gipsy) who did not have AIM.
Without this vital piece, I ask you, was my game already at a disadvantage with this?
Mind you, that it is your opinion, and not a general consensus.

My next question is directed towards Eteocles: I'm sure everyone noticed that you won many of the Immunity Challenges.
Do you believe that, without these wins, you would not be in the Final Two?


The third question is to both of you again: You surely noticed that it seemed at times that I didn't seem to be giving it my best shot, when I clearly thought that I have thought out all the situations, and put in my best guess. My question though, is:
Did you take me as a serious threat at anytime in the game? If so, when and why?


Next is a question for Kaleidoscope: I didn't feel like you were a top player in the game, and I was actually surprised when Eteocles picked you over Iammars.
In your opinion, what was your biggest part in the game?


Now the final two questions are for both of you: Clearly, this game had many familiar MafiaScummers. I felt like an outsider when I started this game.
So why did you keep me for so long?


And now the last question is more of a unrelated question, though it gives me an idea of something else.
In honest truth, how involved were you in finding the name of the Swamp Witch?
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Iammars wrote:Eteo: If I had said that I thought that K-Scope was a threat and that I wanted him out, what would you have done?

K-Scope: How much time did you spend on AIM specifically for this and how much would you say that it contributed to you being here?
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:44 am

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THE FINAL TWO: RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS


Dear Final Two,

Please answer all questions/address all comments and put it into a PM to me, ASAP! These will NOT be your closing statements, those will come shortly after your responses.


THE JURY:

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Bethelmark

Scotmany12

Hasdgfas

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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:50 pm

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THE FINAL TWO: FINAL TWO RESPONSES


Below are the responses submitted by the Final Two.


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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Elias:
1. I suggested you instead of Jdodge mainly because I rarely talked to you, and because I saw you as a bigger threat then Jdodge.
2. Very little. I knew that you two talked because Eteocles told me of your previous survivor game where you two worked together. Then again, I wasn't really concerned that Eteo would betray me towards you, because Eteo knew 100% what I was doing, while he showed me from time to time he had some question marks about your honesty. Of course, this could all be played, but I trusted Eteo and I still do.

JDodge:
1. I guess that topic didn't pass by at that point. I wouldn't have withold the information if you would've asked at that point, but it didn't slip my mind at the time. Still, I doubt it would have mattered, since your days were numbered at that point anyway.

hasdgfas:
I, too, played this game way too passive in the beginning. Then again, I had no intention to talk to everyone because I mostly almost knew where everyone stood via Eteo and JDodge. After JDodge was voted out, I could have done so, but it would've made little difference because the majority of the votes was in the safe area of the alliance.

scotmany12:
You could look at it that way yes, but on the other hand, Eteo needed me as well to get to the point we are now. Most of the time, the alliances were equal and balanced. I could be the swinging vote if things would get wrong. Sure, Eteo did alot of work with driving the alliance, but if the secrecy of our alliance wasn't as good as it was during the F5, we wouldn't be standing here. It says something that bethelmark was convinced Eteo worked with Iammars instead of me. So yes, you got a point in saying that, but without a strong alliance in this game, you are nothing.

bethelmark:
1. I'm not going to answer that question. Eteo and I played this game together, and I believe we both deserve to win this game. For me, this is simply the final stage of the game that needs to be resolved, and winning the F2 means very little to me.
2. Lack of initiative in talking to certain people. Then again, this is my first game I finished, so improvement will come with experience ;)

Skitzer:
1. Yes, it is a disadvantage. This is mainly because the replies you get usually take 24-hours if not more, and that really holds up progress in plans. I think if you decide to play another game of this, taking AIM would increase your win chances, as you were simply a pawn of Eteo's army to victory this game.
2. Yes, I considered you a threat at some point. At the moment JDodge was voted out, I had my concerns you and Iammars were playing together. With that reason, I was sometimes pushing to get you voted out before the F5. To be honest, I was really hoping you had something on your sleeve, so the late part of the game would be a bit more interesting, so I was a bit dissappointed when I found out you didn't.
3. That almost none of the players were aware of the alliance Eteo and I had. It was something I hoped to happen, and I was only concerned two people could've found out: JDodge and bethelmark. JDodge, because I switched side a little bit to easy and bethelmark, because he was contacted when Elias needed to be voted off. The result of the alliance was shown during the F5, when bethelmark decided to contact me instead of Iammars. It makes you feel happy from the inside if you see something you worked on unravel itself in a positive way.
4. Because you weren't much of a threat. When Jdodge was voted out, there was Scot, hasdfgas, bethelmark, iammars and you. From these players, you and Iammars were the only players who played along with Eteo whole game. It showed that you two were less likely to betray and screw up the game for us, so you were in no need to be voted off (Unless you two worked together, in which we decided to test this by letting Eteo offer a F2 to Iammars. The reaction convinced us enough you two had nothing on your sleeve).
5. Eh.... none. The main thing that interested me were the elimination rounds and the last two immunity challenges.

Iammars:
1. During the first four rounds, probably not more then half an hour/an hour each. Later, probably around 2 hours each. I know this doesn't sound convincing, but if you are not in risk of going, you shouldn't be making promises that might backfire you later on.
2. I think my contribution to this game isn't impressing, but enough to get me here. I think my main contribution that got me here is taking the initiative to start an alliance with Eteocles, who was hesistant at first. Furthermore, I believe leading the voting towards Elias and suggesting to Eteo to start a F2 with you were my decision that made most impact in this game.[/quote]

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[quote="Eteocles"]Elias:

Why you and not JDodge? It was simply that you were the better
player. I know that's at least why I wanted you gone. You were the
only other mastermind in the game. Getting rid of you would do more
damage for the enemy, and more good for us. You know, getting rid of
JDodge might have given you even more power. How bad would that
be for us? When KScope mentioned your name it was a "You know
what we gotta do, right?" kinda thing.

No, I don't believe that my self voting lessens my betrayals. The
bird1111 self vote served a purpose. It was just so that people wouldn't
get suspicious if they saw an extra vote for bird1111. The second time
I self voted was mostly an accident. I really did miss the deadline, but
things turned out how I wanted them any ways. ^.^ heh.

Oh, and I'd also like to note that I didn't betray Bethel. We both voted
for each other at his TC ;)

JDodge:

If you are talking about when Elias was voted out: in an ambush, do
you give your enemy anytime to prepare? I guess you could use the
term "Back stabbed", but giving you any prior warning may have
changed the outcome of things.

If you are talking about when you were voted out: at that point, I think
it would have been clear that I had chosen to go down another road. I
didn't feel that I needed to give any warning to you.

hasdgfas:

Hmm, well the reason that I think I didn't talk to you is because I
didn't feel the need to really. I was confident enough in my alliances
that I didn't need you, and that befriending you wouldn't help me get
any further in the game. If you want an opportunity to really be a part
of the game, then that isn't just going to come to you. You have to seek
that out yourself. If you feel alone in the game and no one is talking to
you, you better take that as a danger sign and talk to as many people as
you can.

scotmany12:

Haha... well that was way back on day 1. On day 1, I
wasn't even that confident that I would last more than a few rounds, so
I wanted to try and at least win one immunity challenge (I hadn't won
one in any of my previous survivor games). I was really surprised that
more people didn't lie. I really shouldn't have shared any of my info
with Elias. >.<

Bethelmark:

Jee, thanks. The one question I was really hoping wouldn't come up.
Scopey and I were great partners through this. I think it was really a
joint effort. Obviously from my perspective, I am going to be the
mastermind behind everything, and from his perspective he is. I've
betrayed so many people in this game, It's just not right for me to
betray my last friend in this game by talking bad about him. All I can
do is tell you why I think I should win. I think I played a great game. In
this game the key is to, at every step, analyze where you are, where
you need to be, and what you need to do to get there. Every decision,
every alliance, every betrayal, was calculated to get me where I am. If
I don't win tonight, it will be because I did not convince the jury well
enough to give me their vote. :)

Skitzer: Hehe, I think you have the most interesting questions yet. :)

Yes. I do think that without AIM it was going to be a rocky road for
you. People like the convenience of talking on AIM, so they tend to
make stronger alliances with those people who also have AIM. It's not
impossible to win without it, but it certainly is a powerful tool.

Ah, yes the immunity necklaces. I am very proud of winning all of
them (all fair and square I might add), but I don't think they
particularly helped me get through in the game. The only way that it
would have changed things if I didn't win them would be if someone
else who we wanted voted out won them. It defiantly doesn't hurt to
have that necklace on though. People act very differently to you, and
you are freer to take more risks.

Yes, I did take you as a serious threat in this game. You have to think
of everybody as someone who could potentially get in between you
and the grand prize. Especially at the end when it takes fewer and
fewer people to send you packing, anyone could end up blind siding
you. Transitioning into your next question, the reason that we kept you
for so long was because I didn't think you had it in you to pull
something big like that. You did end up voting for me in the final 5, but
it was just too little too late. :(

As for Apate, yes, I did work at solving her name. :D I know it did take
me a while because I messed up some of the clues, but I got it
eventually. I am really interested to see who will win that too. :)

Iammars:

Hmm, yeah. That was defiantly my worst fear. It would depend on
when you had come to me. A lot of the time, I could tell you that we
were all voting for a certain person, and you would just go along with
it. I could have either just convinced you that KScope was good with
us, or told you we were voting for KScope while we were really voting
for someone else. I chose you for an alliance though because I didn't
think that situation would ever come up, and if It did you wouldn't put
up too much of a fight.[/quote]
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:52 pm

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THE FINAL TWO: OPEN PERIOD


Dear Everyone,

You will now all have an open period. This is just so juror members may get in their final comments. You are not allowed to ask any more questions, simply state whatever you want. I will relock the thread in 24 hours or less and then the Final Two will send in their closing statements. After the closing statements are posted the voting will commence.

I ask the Final Two to please not post in the thread. This is simply for the juror members to let out any anger/frustration/aggression/sympathy/congratulations/reflections/ferrets.


THE JURY:

Iammars

Skitzer

Bethelmark

Scotmany12

Hasdgfas

JDodge

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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:56 pm

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Scopey wrote:1. I guess that topic didn't pass by at that point. I wouldn't have withold the information if you would've asked at that point, but it didn't slip my mind at the time. Still, I doubt it would have mattered, since your days were numbered at that point anyway.
I did ask. Don't you lie to me.
Eteo wrote:If you are talking about when Elias was voted out: in an ambush, do
you give your enemy anytime to prepare? I guess you could use the
term "Back stabbed", but giving you any prior warning may have
changed the outcome of things.

If you are talking about when you were voted out: at that point, I think
it would have been clear that I had chosen to go down another road. I
didn't feel that I needed to give any warning to you.
So essentially you backstabbed me with no prior indications because of your own gains. This not only does not answer my question, but it raises a whole load of others including why you were such a weasely little fuck that you couldn't have the balls to tell anyone, EVEN YOUR OWN ALLIANCE MATES, that you were going to do something.

That's about it.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:45 pm

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Elias, I don't consider myself to be backstabbed; I knew that I was going if I didn't make a move, and I simply chose the wrong person to go to in an effort to do so. I have no problem with how my elimination happened.

*releases ferrets into the thread, then goes back to the jury box*
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:42 am

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Well Kaleidoscope, using common Mafialogic, You contradicted yourself. You said I was a threat, and then said I wasn't. Hope the other questions save you...

Eteocles, you had some great answers. That's basically it.

There was one question, in particular though, that I felt was the most important to me, and how much you really cared about this game, and also how truthful you were. I'll keep quiet until after I vote, but my vote IS decided.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:58 am

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My vote is pretty much decided at this point, but this post is pretty much to vent my frustration at myself for how badly I did at this. I could have played this much differently, and I didn't do enough work at making sure that I could stay in. Both of you did, and I congratulate you both for that. I have some more thoughts, but I will save them for later.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:03 pm

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OK, FINAL TWO CAN SEND IN THEIR CLOSING WORDS!!
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:43 am

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THE FINAL TWO: CLOSING STATEMENTS


Below are the closing statements submitted by the Final Two.


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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I don't think there's much more to say at this point. I do think it's benefitical for me to reply to the misunderstandings of JDodge and Skitzer, so I will. Furthmore, I've said what I wanted to say and you should vote for the player you think deserves to win. As for you, JDodge, the only time it got mentioned was right after FA was voted out. I think you can figure out why I didn't tell at that point. As for you, Skitzer: you asked me if I ever considered you a threat. I said you are (as is everyone), but you were no threat compared to some other people in the game.

That's it. Good luck with the voting everyone :)[/quote]

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[quote="Eteocles"]I think at this point, most of you have made up your minds, so I will

once again keep this brief.

All I can say to you now before you make your decision, is that no

matter the outcome, I will have enjoyed my part in this game. I won six

immunity necklaces, forged the best alliances, and made it to the end

with my partner. I figured out how to further myself in the game, and I

made few mistakes. I was always confident in my decisions, but never

cocky. I played the game to my best, and I had fun along the way. It all

worked out exactly as I wanted, so in my eyes I couldn't have played a

more perfect game. I sincerely hope that there were no real feeling

hurt by my actions. I'm not one of those people that gets "shits and

giggles" from pulling one over on people. I really respect each and

every one of you, both as players and as people. If it all ends up that

no one votes for me and you all hate my guts forever, I can still smile

because I at least made one new friend and had an excellent time

playing this game with him. :)[/quote]
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:53 am

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THE FINAL TWO: TIME TO VOTE


It is time for the jurors to send in your vote!

Please send me your vote via PM for the member of the Final Two that you would like to win SURVIVOR: SHADOW SWAMS.

Remember, you are voting for the contestant you want to win! lol
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:47 pm

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FINAL TRIBAL COUNCIL


Welcome to your final Tribal Council. Eteocles and KaleiÐoscøpe are the final two this season. I will now reveal the votes. The person with the most votes will be crowned the winner of Survivor: Shadow Swamps!


First Vote...

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KaleiÐoscøpe


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Eteocles


Third Vote...

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Eteocles


Fourth Vote...

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KaleiÐoscøpe


Fifth Vote...

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KaleiÐoscøpe


Sixth Vote...

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Eteocles


Seventh Vote...

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And the Winner of Survivor: Shadow Swamps, is...

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KaleiÐoscøpe


Congratulations KaleiÐoscøpe, you are the winner of Survivor: Shadow Swamps!!


Eteocles was the winner of the Sombra Symbol, Congratulations. Eteocles, as the winner, you get to choose if the Panthers or Crocodiles win the swamp war. If you do not choose Panthers will win by default of the earlier competition.



Good job everyone, I greatly enjoyed modding this game with a lively, active and entertaining cast!
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:48 pm

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Yay Eteo didn't win!
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:53 pm

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Congratulations K-Scope. I pretty much knew I wasn't going to win, but I'm still happy.

I think everyone likes the panthers, so they can be kings.
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