northsidegal's Mini Normal Review, March (barely) 2019

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Terrible I'd never pass it where is the gunsmith

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This seems hard for town by current standards

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It needs a gunsmith

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Ok but picture this

A gunsmith

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I suggest adding two town neighbors

And giving scum a gunsmith

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Skip the gunsmith

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Do we even do that? Town amasses clears awe inspiringly fast

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Start of D2 probably 4 conftown

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I guess the setups fine as is but it still needs a gunsmith

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Unironically give town a backup Gunsmith \o/

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Both ideally

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Regular Mason and backup Gunsmith?

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Sigh.

Have you considered informing the LFV that there are no roleblocking mechanics in the game?

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Ok what I'm saying is

It would be nice.to have exactly 1 false positive for.the complex FV

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I also think it would be a really good.idea to make.sure.the loyal FV knows they can't be roleblocked because if scum talks them into thinking roleblocker or something, town loses a lot of their equity

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i could potentially be included to turn a goon into a backup gunsmith for like literally no reason

I think backup x is a better dud role.here than hider

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If the town fv targets the hider town just loses

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Also I think given that it's most of towns power the FV should absolutely know there's nothing that can interfere with them. If they get convinced otherwise town becomes pretty weak.

@31 that's news to me

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also i think i'm fine with the potential of scum doing something with regards to lying about FV being roleblocked? like, that's either just good play from scum if they somehow talk their way into it or a big commitment if they fakeclaim it or something.

If this successfully happens the game is just over though.

If all of town power is gonna be in one role it has to be consistent or it opens massive swing

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I really feel like the FV should know their results are 100% consistent. I think not including that makes the setup one that scum will win quite frequently

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what are you envisioning for how scum would go about this? through a fakeclaim, or just through convincing?

presumably anything scum would do would happen after the loyal FV claims, so i think it would be viewed fairly suspiciously, especially if it's coming after a "guilty"

Just through convincing.
For this setup to be balanced imo the fruit vendor needs to.be a cop. I think a good scum player getting targeted talks their way out of it quite often and town just loses.

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But I mean they can claim ascetic, or.rolestoppwd, or w/e

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Without that town is going into this blind and it makes it pretty scumsided for them to be able to control the narrative.

You could always just make it public info that no such roles exist?

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Fine I guess but pretty obnoxious for scum to deal with

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I wouldn't but I'm good at mafia.

I think in a solid 33% of games town will get talked out of lynching the first guilty

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I think confirming it takes a lot of the potential for town to be bad in an inexperienced sense as opposed to bad scumhunting if that makes sense?

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Not having that kind of reliable confscumming makes the setup too easy for scum imo. I'll pass it but

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Very bad idea b/c it essentially gives town another clear in the sense that they can bring it to 3 way and lynch it

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For the purposes of an organized town it's essentially a clear.

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Like say on D3 there's 2 masons and 2 fruited players alive. Scum shot VT then loyal FV. Two VT lynches have occurred and the second bullet hit a PR yet town has automatically won the game

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Have you considered

backup Gunsmith

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Hmm

I dunno aorn

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1 shot bulletproof is ok.

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I think it needs a gunsmith

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This is basically an MU cop 13er with an extra clear and more cover for the first two clears in exchange for the FV weirdness and scum.being able.to PR hunt

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And overlapping investigations I guess

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I think this is a lot more similar than you are giving credit for!

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Keep in mind

BP doesn't actually give town a mislynch

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I'm fine either way do what calls to you