Skygazer's Micro Normal review, June 2019

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Tracker is tracker and there's a lil bit of entropy from the fv/mailman/doctor but not really anything that's gonna stop it from being tracker
FV can semi-clear themselves later on i guess barring multitasking esp considering its a role that makes sense w tracker (granted it'd probs still probs mislynchable?)
Simple Doctor gives town a somewhat limited protective and dissuades any follow the invest strats

Scum Mailman forces scum to be creative w their role, i imagine it could b p powerful if scum know how to use it to manipulate but is gimped by the fact that they have to claim x-shot or something if the goon dies

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ye i can def see the concerns of the swinginess; im busy today but will try to brainstorm this tonight

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i like the idea of town traffic analyst vs scum mailman w no other communicative roles but feels like that'd also open up some potential salt if town ends up falsely clearing the mailman

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1. town 2-shot traffic analyst
   
2. town simple doctor
   
3. town vanilla
   
4. town vanilla
   
5. town vanilla
   
6. town vanilla
   
7. town vanilla
   
8. scum 1-shot mailman
   
9. scum goon

probs slightly more fun for the losing team? do you think this opens up any issues wrt accidentally innoing the mailman on set-up spec?

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oh geeze good question uhhhhh

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considering everything wrt my large i agree that the tracker just seems too swingy here though

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hrmm

nothing ig lol

would it be more balanced w a full TA?

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oh duh

hrmm

lemme think of something that may or may not be completely different that's both fun and balanced

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not sure what i could add to that to make it more balanced w/o making it too townsided

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also scum mailman feels kinda dirty to have w a traffic analyst the more i think about it

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do u feel like i'm overthinking the potential problem where TA gets a guilty on the mailman and the mailman outs and someone backs it up? i'm worried town would potentially clear that as a town role based on setup spec

pedit: hrmm

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1 town traffic analyst
2 town simple doctor
3 town neighbor
4 town vanilla
5 town vanilla
6 town vanilla
7 town vanilla
8 scum neighbor
9 scum goon

yeah im worried that the mailman will be cleared as a miller-esque role and don't wanna have to worry about that

pedit: pretty similar setup lol

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If you don't want to go the ways I'm brainstorming, that's okay, but I'm thinking of something like:
town macho traffic analyst
town doctor
town 1-shot BP
town neighbor
VT x3
mafia goon
mafia neighbor

Not sure if that's balanced but it's definitely in an interesting place, if you like the ideas.

looking at it makes me feel like its townsided but thats a gut reaction, i'd need to think on it and i agree that it's interesting

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i was staring at the wiki page and had an inkling of an idea

town traffic analyst
town rolestopper
vt x5
mafia roleblocker
mafia goon

so basically, traffic analyst either gets clears or guilties but can't get a guilty after the first scum lynch
rolestopper basically acts as a protective with the caveat that they can potentially cancel out a result
roleblocker kinda counters follow the cop strats

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fuck that really rewards the traffic analyst for outting D1 because rolestopper protects the TA and prevents them from getting RB'd

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but the TA can only get one guilty anyways so

hrmmm

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mayb i can just run like 7 micros all based around traffic analyst setups

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town traffic analyst
town simple doctor
town 1-shot BP
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia 1-shot neighborizer

i dig this but my main concern is i feel like the high potential for no kills could get pretty unfun/demotivating esp w two in a row
i also feel like the town could potentially get paranoid and mislynch one of the protectives if they're both out and not cleared by the TA

lemme think because i like the concept

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town traffic analyst
town bodyguard
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector (or if that's too weak, vanilla cop?)

mailman can get guiltied and outted but is more likely to be seen as a town role here
bodyguard is a decent protective w/ an invest in the game imo
TA can get two clears at most or one guilty at most

and uhhh MD/VC can help w rolehunting a little bit

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i feel good about that one minute after posting it which is a good sign

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(sorry this is a lot of back and forth)

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figured BG works well because it maintains the odd numbers

hrmm is the mailman becoming clear a super bad thing if they can get guiltied and out the TA?

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maybe... n1 bodyguard to eliminate swing if the TA is outted d1?? bodyguard giving the TA an extra result later on would kinda suck

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or possiblyyyy replace the BG with a loyal jailkeeper

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loyal jk seems like an interesting role in that it can protect at the expense of a clear and can't really be used as an invest unless they hit fakeclaiming scum and scum fakes a result

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*protect at the expense of a result

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eh nvm cause an unprompted 'no result' would basically clear the person giving the 'no result'

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town macho traffic analyst
town doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector

or

town traffic analyst
town simple doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector

(i feel like the simple doctor would be better over macho modifier considering mailman is also clearable on setup spec and macho modifier indirectly clears the doctor claim and that'd be two clears and an invest; however, if that's not too unbalanced then i'd be down for the macho modifier on the TA)
i think i dig the mafia MD as they're able to PR hunt and hunt for investigative targets but not know which is which

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macho it is !!

hmmm;; i could make the MD multitasking and possibly give the mailman a multitasking modifier as a hint ??

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ohh duh

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preferring the publicly confirmed that scum is multitasking idea cause it at least gives scum warning

but like goon getting lynched kinda nerfs the TA anyways so im thinking multitasking isnt necessary

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town macho traffic analyst
town doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector


goin out for the day will be back 2nite!

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what if i take out the doctor and make it goon/goon

would be more minimalist ig

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Would it be better with simple doctor?

also a good q

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ascetic kinda nerfs the MD :l

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out of curiosity;

how would something like this fare?

1-shot loyal neighborizer
motion detector
visitor
fv x 4
goon
encryptor

thats like 1 clear (1-shot loyal neighborizer may or may not be mislynchable ?? likeeee i mislynched CJ as one but saudade managed to last a whileee in my large normal)
and MD has a little more entropy/wiggle room for scum than tracker esp w the visitor (but is also less lynchable just based on the existence of the visitor...)

loyal neighborizer loses the communication advantage w/ daytalk disabled and cant even talk to their clear until n2 but still has that clear at least

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uh pretend that says VT x 4 not fv x 4

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01 Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer
02 Town Motion Detector
03 Town Visitor
04 Town Vanilla
05 Town Vanilla
06 Town Vanilla
07 Town Vanilla
08 Mafia Encryptor
09 Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer.
Abilities:
Once per game, on any night, you may recruit a player into a neighborhood. This action will fail if your target is not town. Your neighborhood may be found [here], and will open upon successful recruitment.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Motion Detector.
Abilities:
Each night you may target a player to determine if they performed an action or had an action performed on them. You may receive one of three results: "motion detected," "no motion detected," or, if your action failed, "no result."
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Visitor.
Abilities:
Each night you may choose to visit another player. This visit will have no effect on your target beyond visiting that player.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Encryptor.
Abilities:
While you are alive, you and your partner may talk during the day.
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Goon. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon.
Abilities:
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Encryptor. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

You were recruited into a neighborhood by [player]! You may talk in this neighborhood at night [here].

Last night after investigating [player] you [detected motion]/[did not detect motion].

Micro ####: Danny DeVito Mafia

[Danny DeVito pic goes here]
[game phase goes here]
Moderator: Skygazer
Reviewers: ??? and ???

Player List:
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Spoiler: Reveals

None yet!

Rules, adapted from schadd_ who adapted them from Nexus.

Be nice. It's a game.

General:
- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- Day phases will last 10 days (or until a lynch is achieved).
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM me.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- Don't publicly talk about potentially replacing out, and don't publicly request for other players to replace out. If you have an issue that may need to be resolved through a replacement, please feel free to bring it up privately with me!
- If you break any of these rules, you may be modkilled (only with a listmod's blessing) or force-replaced.

Voting / Player actions:
- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: Skygazer) or with bold (

vote: Skygazer

). You may use nicknames and abbreviations if you wish, as long as it's unique to the player and I can figure out who you intended to vote.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- You may vote No Lynch to Not Lynch.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If nobody dies for 4 consecutive day and night phases, the town will win.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).
- If you have more than one night specific actions, you may only use one per night unless specified otherwise.

Activity:
- You are expected make a game-state advancing post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than two prods, I will force-replace you.

Mechanics:
- 006688 is my color. Feel free to use it if you'd like! Just not to impersonate me or to mislead others.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- I may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.
- This is a normal game and follows normal guidelines.
- Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Win Condition

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

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I feel like a guilty is less damning than it actually is tho esp w/ the visitor causing more confusion and the potential for a smart fakeclaim if scum gets caught? i feel like it works out to a one-shot cop and a weaker tracker plus some tracker entropy, and cop/tracker is considered balanced against rolecop in newbies so i feel like it works out

i managed to convince a p decent town that a one-shot loyal neighborizer could be a multitasking scum neighborizer so i'm not entirelyyyy sure the neighborizer is unlynchable here either but thats just from one experience :p

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hrmmmmmmmmmm

would

night 1 loyal neighborizer
night 2 traffic analyst
5 VTs

encryptor
goon

do the trick? that can give like a n1 result and a bonus n2 result if the game is about to enter 5p lylo

ig i could work w n1 MD as well

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omg i wonder how interesting the game could get if i removed the loyal modifier and left it as an ungated neighborizer but kept daytalk disabled

and had a setup along the lines of

town neighborizer
town traffic analyst
town encryptor
VT x 4
scum encryptor
scum goon

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by the time this review is over i'll have like 10 setups that r vaguely balanced w slight flaws

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town neighborizer
town N2 traffic analyst
town encryptor
VT x 4
scum encryptor
scum encryptor

if neighborizer gets that guilty then they get killed the next night anyways

and this kinda eliminates the double guilty thing

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does traffic analyst resolve before or after neighborizer?

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does traffic analyst resolve before or after neighborizer?

natural action resolution says after

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i also think having a town encryptor mayyyy possibly slight plausible deniability to one of the other encryptors as well !

i feel like there's def some room for scum to wiggle their way out such as "well one of the 'clears' could just be a goon!" or something like that and i could even see town me arriving there tbh

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shelving that idea and probably running it as a theme rather than a normal at some point;

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01 Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer
02 Town 1-shot Motion Detector
03 Town Visitor
04 Town Vanilla
05 Town Vanilla
06 Town Vanilla
07 Town Vanilla
08 Mafia Encryptor
09 Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer.
Abilities:
Once per game, on any night, you may recruit a player into a neighborhood. This action will fail if your target is not town. Your neighborhood may be found [here], and will open upon successful recruitment.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Motion Detector.
Abilities:
Once per game, on any night, you may target a player to determine if they performed an action or had an action performed on them. You may receive one of three results: "motion detected," "no motion detected," or, if your action failed, "no result."
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Visitor.
Abilities:
Each night you may choose to visit another player. This visit will have no effect on your target beyond visiting that player.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Encryptor.
Abilities:
While you are alive, you and your partner may talk during the day.
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Goon. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon.
Abilities:
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Encryptor. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

You were recruited into a neighborhood by [player]! You may talk in this neighborhood at night [here].

Last night after investigating [player] you [detected motion]/[did not detect motion].

Micro ####: Danny DeVito Mafia

[Danny DeVito pic goes here]
[game phase goes here]
Moderator: Skygazer
Reviewers: ??? and ???

Player List:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.

Spoiler: Reveals

None yet!

Rules, adapted from schadd_ who adapted them from Nexus.

Be nice. It's a game.

General:
- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- Day phases will last 10 days (or until a lynch is achieved).
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM me.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- Don't publicly talk about potentially replacing out, and don't publicly request for other players to replace out. If you have an issue that may need to be resolved through a replacement, please feel free to bring it up privately with me!
- If you break any of these rules, you may be modkilled (only with a listmod's blessing) or force-replaced.

Voting / Player actions:
- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: Skygazer) or with bold (

vote: Skygazer

). You may use nicknames and abbreviations if you wish, as long as it's unique to the player and I can figure out who you intended to vote.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- You may vote No Lynch to Not Lynch.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If nobody dies for 4 consecutive day and night phases, the town will win.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).
- If you have more than one night specific actions, you may only use one per night unless specified otherwise.

Activity:
- You are expected make a game-state advancing post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than two prods, I will force-replace you.

Mechanics:
- 006688 is my color. Feel free to use it if you'd like! Just not to impersonate me or to mislead others.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- I may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.
- This is a normal game and follows normal guidelines.
- Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor.

Sample Role PMs:

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Win Condition

You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

[Skygazer]

Made Motion Detector 1-shot to add a sort of risk-reward thing to claiming their shot, is that any more balanced?

[Skygazer]

Made Motion Detector 1-shot to add a sort of risk-reward thing to claiming their shot, is that any more balanced?

*using their shot

[Skygazer]

I can definitely see why that shouldn't be ran in the normal queue;

as a side-note my game in the large theme queue has flavor based around the evil NRG led by the nefarious implosion trying to get skyg's game pulled from the normal queue and it's completely unrelated to this review

[Skygazer]

I'm just going to treat the NRG as a monolithic entity so I don't have to get a ton of permissions

[Skygazer]

bump

any thoughts on the last setup i posted?

[Skygazer]

i'm uh just gonna run the gimmicky one that wouldn't be passed as normal as a theme and shelve the setup in here for now if that's okay?

i dig the interactions in there more