Wake88's Large Normal Review, December 2019

[Ircher]

I guess I should wait for the setup, but I will note that 45 players is an unusually large number of players for a normal setup. Most large normals take a while to fill; I think there would be a good possibility this one wouldn't fill in time.

[Ircher]

One thing I noticed was your rules post says the faction ratio is 32:5:5 instead of 32:6:6.

[Ircher]

- Semi-Closed Setup
- 33:6:6
- Scum have Daytalk
- No Hydras
- Mod will invite specific players

While this is fine, I'm assuming you'll allow anyone uninvited to play as well?

http://www.robandkriskris.com/votecounter/faq

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

Neighborhoods:

The Sunlit Library - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81526 (1)
The Palace of Darkness - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81527 (2)
The Quiet Place - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81528 (3)

Red Mafia Hideout - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81530
Blue Mafia Hideout - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81529

Dead Thread - [No Spoilers] - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81531
Dead Thread - [Spoilers] - viewtopic.php?f=90&t=81532
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Player Roles:

01) Cop/Neighbor (1)

Pretty strong considering there are no scum in the neighborhood.

02) 1-Shot Bulletproof Doctor

Personally, I wouldn't pass a setup with this role w/o a compelling reason to do so. Especially since we already have a cop, having a hard to kill doctor is a bad idea.

03) Announcing Motion Detector
04) Novice Tracker/Neighbor (1)
05) Loud Bodyguard
06) Novice Voyeur
07) 2-Shot Watcher

Also pretty strong.

08) Follower/Neighbor (3)
09) 3-Shot Jailkeeper
10) Odd-Night Babysitter
11) Even-Night Neapolitan/Neighbor (2)
12) Loud Gunsmith/Neighbor (2)
13) Miller
14) Macho Citizen
15) Vengeful Citizen
16) Mailman
17) Even-Night Loud Traffic Analyst
18) Loud Town Roleblocker Miller/Neighbor (1)
19) 1-Shot Bulletproof Citizen
20) Citizen
21) Citizen
22) Citizen
23) Citizen
24) Citizen
25) Citizen
26) Citizen
27) Citizen/Neighbor (2)
28) Citizen
29) Citizen
30) Citizen
31) Citizen
32) Citizen
33) Citizen/Neighbor (1)
34) Red Mafia Ascetic Mailman
35) Red Mafia Loud Rolecop
36) Red Mafia Goon
37) Red Mafia Roleblocker/Neighbor (3)

Even in a setup like this, I'd recommend making roleblockers limited in power. Maybe make Red odd night and Blue even night?

38) Red Mafia Goon
39) Red Mafia Ninja
40) Blue Mafia Jailkeeper

I'd limit this role.

41) Blue Mafia Loud Psychologist
42) Blue Mafia Announcing Vanilla Cop
43) Blue Mafia Roleblocker

See above

44) Blue Mafia Goon
45) Blue Mafia Goon

Thoughts in bold from a quick glance. Most of these are from interactions level rather than balance.

[Ircher]

I'm pretty okay with the setup. I can't comment much on the balance because... it's 45 players. Rules seem normal, and the setup is normal. The one suggestion I have regarding the rules is to drop the 3 prods = force replacement clause because finding replacements for a 45p game will be likely be difficult. Most people who don't care about the game will not return after 24 hours; the ones who get prodded a lot tend to be the ones with real life issues that interfere with playing mafia.

[Ircher]

Just to be clear, PenguinPower is the only one who can officially pass the setup. That being said, I think going ahead with role pms may be a good idea.

[Ircher]

What happens if both the Even Night Doctor and Odd Night Doctor die in the same night? (Also, I'm not sure what the current rules regarding backups and modifiers is.)

I don't think it's normal to include the "Neighborhood" line in everyone's role pm. It basically informs everyone that at least one neighborhood exists. That being said, I think it may be okay for you to announce such (that there is at least one neighborhood in the game) in your ruleset in which case you can keep the role pms as-is.

The town win condition is non-standard. Town wins when, "You win if all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is still alive."

[Ircher]

Oh, and don't forget to have a sample citizen role pm in your rules.