biancospino's Micro Normal Review, February 2023
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Ego. Can Alianna have access to this?-
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The concept here is that one wolf always being able to ping (up to) two players with two different Miscellaneous ability, combined with the Masonry knowing that there is exactly one of those roles roles, should be a massive confounding factor that the Wolves can actively fine-tune.
The Inspector and the JOAT serves as a way to possibly help figure out what's exactly happening, as they help confirm the veracity of such pings.
There are a couple main things I'm a bit afraid about. For one thing, the Miscellaneous wolf can possibly play kinda like a multitasking FV, which I'm not sure if it isn't broken with multitasking off by default; for another, I put in a lazy UB for the town since I feared losing the Inspector/JOAT very early would be very bad for town, however I'm not sure if having an UB that can potentially become a Mason is too swingy. If those are serious problems, maybe having multitasking on by default and/or axing the lazy UB and making the Inspector a Voyeur would help?-
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Eh, I can change the flavor to Mafia if that's a problem.
The main thing here are the scum miscellanea role and the town Informed. The concept is to have a borderline negutility Informed, with the scums having a way of producing a gamestate that may appear to violate the information given.
Conceptually, if the FV and Messenger target claim to have received fruit/a message (or if any of them is a Mason), then the Informed would see that something is not right, possibly casting doubts on the veracity of both the fruit/message ping claims.
This is intended to be purely a confounding factor, and the Inspector serves as a mechanism to possibly get a confirmation on the likely truthness on such pings and so to alleviate the confusion.
Other than that, the scum UB is there because otherwise if the scum FV/messenger dies very early, like D1, then the setup basically deteriorates to Masons with additional TPRs and completely loses the concept.
The JOAT and/or the town UB are not particularly too important in my general idea of the setup, and may be changed in pretty much any direction needed, thou I like the concept of having a general theme of investigatives mostly caring about actions and here the concept is that both the personal Reporter and the SG are pretty useful to track down the origin of the fruit/message pings; the Psychologist I've thrown in mostly just so that there may be a potential for a strong guilty at all in the game, thou I'm not too enthusiastic about it and I believe it's gated enough to be pretty useless anyway given the scum knows and can play around it.
The lazy UB is there mainly because losing very early either action investigative looks to me it would be pretty bad for town, as then the game risks becoming just confusing without many tools to get confirmed insights as to what is going on; and it's lazy to gate it, since I though someone becoming a Mason in a late gamestate with only one scum would become borderline unwinnable for the scum for no real fault of theirs. That said I am really afraid that 2 mason + an UB that can become one is too many confirms (and the SG can very easily confirm their role too, which is pretty towny-looking); so it is the one I am less attached to. Unless peraphs we change the Masons to Neighbours, thou that would significantly alter the core idea; I would not necessarily dislike it per se, but it would hamper the chance of the informed knowledge going around and being cross-referenced with some action-investigation which I want to happen at some point-
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Also, multitasking is off even if having it on would mechanically change nothing to make so that the confounding factor is more effective at doing its job, howerer I do worry a little that the strategy of, say, always vending to NK target and mailing someone else may be too strong a way to "prove" that the mailman can't be doing the NK; this only really works if the scum UB is the first of the two to die for obvious reasons, but maybe it's still broken, idk. I rekon the problem can be resolved just by making multitasking on by default, thou idk how much this would tip the balance toward town, and maybe giving scum a credible "town messenger" (or FV) fakeclaim may be needed.
Or the Inspector could maybe be made a Voyeur so that to be able to catch that?-
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Uh, should I maybe send him a nudge, just in case he may have missed/forgot about this?-
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The concept here is that the existence of two pingers would be bizarre, and the Informed had that function. What if, I split the Mailman/vend actions, drop the compulsive and the weak that would do very little anyway, and have both Wolves be able to do either things, but not both
VILLAGE
1 Mason Informed [all miscellaneous roles are identical]
1 Mason Inspector (or maybe Voyeur?)
1 JOAT (personal Reporter, SG, lazy Psy)
4 VTs
WOLVES
2 Informed JOAT(Mailman, Mailman, FV, FV)
[there is a Psy. There is an Informed Mason who knows...]-
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Sure, just give me a couple minutes-
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Oh, and there's a typo in the /confirm line of course...-
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Ok, give me 20' or so. The lazy UB I was thinking on just axeing?-
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Spoiler: ROLE PMS
Spoiler: RESULT PMS-
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Sorry, there is a slight mistake in the Mason Informed PM. Here's a rectified version
Welcome to Game!
You are a.Village Mason Informed
You have the following passive abilities:- Informed— you know that all players who can perform a Miscellaneous action have the same role, but not necessarily the same alignment.(Note: Miscellaneous actions are those of Neighborizer, FriendlyNeighbor, Hider, FruitVendor, Visitor, Messenger, and Checker)
- Mason— you know that YYY is a Mason and is aligned with the Village, and you can talk with them at any time [here].
You win when at least one member of the Village's faction is alive and all members of the Wolves' faction are dead.
The game thread is located [here].
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.
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Do I need to post my ruleset here?-
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Also, it's not entirely clear in the end, but I suppose multitasking should be on by default?-
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