Leonshade's Mini Normal Review

mhsmith0 · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:09 pm

Town
Tracker
Backup Tracker
Bodyguard
Macho JOAT (rolecop, jk, vig)
6 VTs
vs
Goon, Goon, Roleblocker

Immediate thoughts:

1) The 1-shot vig is PROBABLY negative equity, since the odds of stopping a kill are pretty low, given that only the one shot of JK has any chance of it
2) I'm skeptical that scum need a full roleblocker here, town power is pretty limited
3) Bodyguard sucks as a power role generally, and I'm not sure anything town has is strong enough to really make the "die in place of the other guy" a meaningful boost. You don't have a full cop, jailkeeper, or vig here, for instance (all of which are good enough to solidly justify the BG sacrifice)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:10 pm

Also roleblocker > jailkeeper is fine precedence wise, given that it's consistent with newbie games, although it's also fine if you don't want to deal with that kind of potential messiness

mhsmith0 · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:23 pm

FWIW, 10v3 mini normal games with roleblockers have as a whole been pretty balanced, around 50% town win rate

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etc

In general, against a roleblocker, town has had at least one really strong power role, or multiple passives (like 1719). The JOAT isn't strong enough, and tracker is a middling town power in a 13p game.

mhsmith0 · Post Post #15 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 8:39 am

That would make:

Town
Tracker
Backup Tracker
Doctor
Macho JOAT (rolecop, jk, vig)
6 VTs
vs
Goon, Goon, Roleblocker

That's probably pretty close to balanced. Can anyone confirm that "macho" would only prevent the doctor protect, and NOT prevent a save via jailkeeping the killer? I'm somewhat inclined to drop the macho modifier from the JOAT since I don't think that it's strong enough to be breaking (where it would require a macho modifier), especially given the scum roleblocker. Or we could keep the macho on the JOAT and then nerf the roleblocker, either by making it odd night or turning it into a scum JOAT (strongman / role cop / roleblocker)

mhsmith0 · Post Post #18 (isolation #4) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:45 pm

I think I'm ok with this. What are you guys thinking?

mhsmith0 · Post Post #20 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:43 am

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mhsmith0 · Post Post #21 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:43 am

@marquis: thoughts?

@leonshade: can you update role PMs and repost?

mhsmith0 · Post Post #31 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:00 am

/approve

good luck!