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Would one shot of each be too powerful? So it would be JK/Watcher vs. 1-Shot-Ninja/1-Shot-Strongman?

How does doctor compare to JK in power, here?

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I think an unopposed watcher is more dangerous than an unopposed JK, so if I'm choosing between them I'd rather keep the Ninja than the Strongman.

I'm confused about the balance because my understanding is that one JK as the only power role would be balanced (this is one of the newbie setups, right?) It seems like giving town a full watcher with only a 1-shot counter to that should lead to a game that's townsided in comparison. Is there any more fine tuning I can do on this?

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I'm going to wait until you all agree on which direction the setup is unbalanced before I submit another.

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Thoughts on JK + 1-shot Watcher + 1-shot Strongman?

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It just seems like so much has to coincide for that to happen. The goon has to die first, then the JK has to target the strongman on the same night the strongman uses his one shot. I feel like if the Mafia can orchestrate that sequence of events they kind of deserve the win. But I'll wait to hear from the others.

If there was some way the goon's flip could advertise "there's a strongman" without his actually being an enabler, that would resolve your concern as well, but I don't see how to do that within the normal guidelines.

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Out of the setups we've gone over so far, which is the closest to approvable?

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I can take the latter of those as is, if everyone finds it acceptable.

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Watcher
2 shot Jailkeeper
5 VTs
1 shot Strongman Goon
1 Goon

Wait, is this saying two 1-shot jailkeepers, or one 2-shot jailkeeper?

Either way, I'll take it. I mean, it's pretty far from the intent of my original setup ("the scum have to decide which powerful ability to counter each night"), but it seems like there's no way to make that work without giving scum too much power, so I'm willing to just do something else for now and go back to the drawing board with that idea.

If it's slightly townsided as mykonian suggested, would turning the goon into a backup strongman be an improvement?

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Derp, or I could just count the slots. Of course it's one 2-shot jailkeeper.

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I'll have the revised role PMS up ASAP (which is probably in a few hours).

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Revised setup:
1x

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

1x

Mafia Goon

1x

Town Watcher

1x

Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper

5x

Vanilla Townie

Role PMS:

Spoiler: Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

You are a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

!

Your partner is #NAME, a

Mafia Goon

.

Win Condition

You win when half or more of living players are Mafia.

Abilities

• You and your partner share a private thread in which you can talk and strategize during the pregame and night phases.
  
• Every night, either you or your partner may carry out a kill on one player.
  
• During one night of your choice, if you are carrying out a kill, you may choose to
  strongman
  the kill, in which case it cannot be stopped by blocking or protective effects.

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

You are a

Mafia Goon

!

Your partner is #NAME, a

Mafia 1-Shot Strongman

.

Win Condition

You win when half or more of living players are Mafia.

Abilities

• You and your partner share a private thread in which you can talk and strategize during the pregame and night phases.
  
• Every night, either you or your partner may carry out a kill on one player.

Spoiler: Watcher

You are a

Town Watcher

!

Win Condition

You win when all living players are Town.

Abilities

• Every night you may choose one player to
  watch,
  thus discovering who if anyone targeted that player during the night.

Spoiler: 1-Shot Jailkeeper

You are a

Town 1-Shot Jailkeeper

!

Win Condition

You win when all living players are Town.

Abilities

• During one night of your choice, you may choose a player to
  jail
  . That player cannot target or be targeted by anyone during that night.

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

You are a

Vanilla Townie

!

Win Condition

You win when all living players are Town.

Abilities

You have no special abilities. Your weapons are your voice and your vote.

One question about interactions: my understanding is that if a player is prevented from targeting someone, the watcher will not see his target visited by that player, but it's probably worth confirming that here before I proceed.

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Oh, sorry.

Spoiler: 2-Shot Jailkeeper (this time not totally wrong)

You are a

Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper

!

Win Condition

You win when all living players are Town.

Abilities

• During two nights of your choice, you may choose a player to
  jail
  . That player will be unable to target anyone and will be protected from kills for that night.

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For completeness' sake, here is the actual role distribution (determined by random.org):

• ThinkBig,
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• Lil Uzi Vert,
  Town 2-Shot Jailkeeper
  
  
• Sobolev Space,
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• Maxous,
  Mafia Goon
  
  
• temphdq,
  Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
  
  
• Tenshii,
  Town Watcher
  
  
• Hiraki,
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• schadd_,
  Vanilla Townie
  
  
• Aj The Epic,
  Vanilla Townie

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Wait no, someone delete that post before this thread goes public and contact me by PM if you want to comment on that.