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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:14 am

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No. You can even have three goons vs 4-5 town PRs, though firnthta to work town pr would mainly have to be a bunch of garbage roles like bodyguard ic etc.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:17 am

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In post 24, ThinkBig wrote:I know. But if I give town another role, don't I have to give scum another role?
nah, and that's the issue a bit. Scum start out with a huge head start in 3:10. You have to throw a lot at town to balance the night kill. Adding a RB then (I mean, you could cut that, if you want?) makes you do some of your hard work undone, and the RB does that quite efficiently sadly.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:19 am

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You can see
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549
For a good sample of what kind of setups are common.
1827
Bg Neapolitan 1-shot vig 1-shot dayvig is a decent example of an all goon setup.

Given that you have day talk (basically better than encryptor), 1823
Doc tracker vig 1-shot bp
Vs goon encryptor 1-shot strongman
Is close to an all goon setup with day talk
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:18 am

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This game is extremely swingy, and with a full role blocker I think its actually scum sided even though theres a full cop.

BTW I think the Cop results are supposed to be "Mafia" "Not Mafia" or "No Result"
Also tracker should be "None" "[Players visited]", "No Result"

Can scum role blocker block and kill at same time?
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:19 am

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It would actually be easier to balance this wifi you weakened the role blocker and the cop in my opinion instead of just adding more roles.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:20 am

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So maybe make it a 2-shot roleblocker?
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:21 am

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Can scum role blocker block and kill at same time?

No
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:46 pm

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In post 30, ThinkBig wrote:So maybe make it a 2-shot roleblocker?
that helps but won't be enough imo.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:50 am

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Is a town sensitive dayvig (desperado, I think is what it's called) considered normal?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:53 am

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In post 32, mykonian wrote:
In post 30, ThinkBig wrote:So maybe make it a 2-shot roleblocker?
that helps but won't be enough imo.
You think so? Gated Roleblocker (I'd probably do odd night instead of x-shot fwiw) vs cop and two decent power roles seems pretty balanced in my book.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:57 am

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How does
3 Mafia goons
1 cop of all trades (1-shot cop, 1-shot gunsmith, 1-shot role cop)
1 jack of all trades (1-shot vig, 1-shot tracker, 1-shot doctor)
1 town neighborizer
7 vanilla townies

Work out?
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:04 am

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@TB: Before going too far into a materially different setup, what kind of overall setup are you interested in running? It's fine to have either relatively fewer or relatively more PRs; ideally we get something that is structurally about what you have in mind, and then organize and balance around that.

For instance, if you were pretty happy with cop/joat/tracker vs rb, my personal gut is that we shouldn't need to move far off of that (for instance, we could do even night roleblocker for scum if everyone wants to make sure that night 1 is very likely to get a cop investigation off). OTOH, if the rb was only there for balance consideration in the first place (or if you thought that you had to have a scum PR), then we can talk about alternative setups like what balances an all-goon setup. But before we go too much into that, I wnat to make sure we've hit an overall format that you're comfortable with.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:11 am

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In post 36, mhsmith0 wrote:@TB: Before going too far into a materially different setup, what kind of overall setup are you interested in running? It's fine to have either relatively fewer or relatively more PRs; ideally we get something that is structurally about what you have in mind, and then organize and balance around that.
I'm not really sure. I want to run a 10:3 setup. I also want to have relatively more PRs.

For instance, if you were pretty happy with cop/joat/tracker vs rb, my personal gut is that we shouldn't need to move far off of that (for instance, we could do even night roleblocker for scum if everyone wants to make sure that night 1 is very likely to get a cop investigation off). OTOH, if the rb was only there for balance consideration in the first place (or if you thought that you had to have a scum PR), then we can talk about alternative setups like what balances an all-goon setup. But before we go too much into that, I wnat to make sure we've hit an overall format that you're comfortable with.

The RB was there to balance out the cop/joat/tracker. What would a setup look like with all goons?
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:12 am

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I'd be alright with that. I don't think the JoaT you used was all that strong, so that should be fine.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:16 am

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You can have a role blocker fine, I think a full role blocker is a little much though.

The new setup suggested seems fine, but it also seems a little away from what you described as trying to achieve here of "more prs"
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:56 am

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Once this is approved, how long will it take to enter sign ups?
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:01 am

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can't be long, the normal queue is short and Nexus is occasionally worrying the reviewing doesn't go quickly enough.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:04 am

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on that note, need some decisions on the RB and how the JoaT looks now, I don't know if that was confirmed.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:06 am

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What do you need me to clarify? What would happen if it was an all 3 mafia goons? What would happen if I make the cop a 2-shot cop?
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:14 am

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1st you'd make me happy, 2nd you'd make us all unhappy bc if it's unbalanced it's scumsided.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:15 am

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OK so I should keep the scum team as is but make the cop a 2-shot cop?
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:16 am

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Sorry, need clarification on what you mean.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:34 am

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no on the 2 shot cop, that's a bad idea.

Maybe on the scumteam, I personally feel it'd be good, Mrsmith doesn't, and I forgot how FB felt about that.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:44 am

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Ok. I'll take a look at the archives and look at some setups. Maybe sheep some of them and modify them to my liking.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:25 pm

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I am wondering what is the proposed setup at this moment
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