XnadrojX's Mini Normal Review the Second

[Nexus]

Yeah you're good to go.

[mhsmith0]

Some minor editorial suggestions/changes on OP

(adding "only")
4. Although this is a game about being an asshole, please only be asshole to a certain extent. Do not go too far with your words or I may warn you or even replace you without notice. If you are unsure of what is OK, please PM me first (I'm generally quite tolerant).

(adding "me")
5. Please inform me of any mistakes I make

I'd probably also not be a stickler on the mod color usage (typically it's ok to use it in reads lists and VCA) but that's a me thing and not something that you're bound by.

[mhsmith0]

Could you also post your final role PMs?

[mastina]

I need to see the actual role PMs before I can sign off, but that's about it.

[Nexus]

or do that first

[XnadrojX]

3-Shot Gunsmith

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

3-Shot Gunsmith

.
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a 3-Shot Gunsmith, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name and you will receive a result indicating whether or not your target has a gun in flavour. You may do this up to three times.

You are aligned with the

Town

, and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Code: Select all

Welcome ____, you are a [color=#00FF00]3-Shot Gunsmith[/color].
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a 3-Shot Gunsmith, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name and you will receive a result indicating whether or not your target has a gun in flavour. You may do this up to three times.

You are aligned with the [color=#00FF00]Town[/color], and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Spoiler: Results

Your target has a gun.

Your target does not have a gun.

You received no result.

Odd-Night Cop

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

Odd-Night Cop

.
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a Odd-Night Cop, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name and you will receive a result indicating whether or not your target is aligned with the Mafia. You may only do this on odd-numbered nights.

You are aligned with the

Town

, and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Code: Select all

Welcome ____, you are a [color=#00FF00]Odd-Night Cop[/color].
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a Odd-Night Cop, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name and you will receive a result indicating whether or not your target is aligned with the Mafia. You may only do this on odd-numbered nights.

You are aligned with the [color=#00FF00]Town[/color], and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Spoiler: Results

Your target is not Mafia=aligned.

Your target is Mafia-aligned.

You received no result.

Miller Doublevoter

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

Miller Doublevoter

.
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a Doublevoter, on top of your regular vote, you have a second vote which you can cast in secret by privately messaging me on your second target. You may cast this vote on anyone, regardless of the state of your regular vote. This vote will not be registered in votecounts and will not change the lynch threshold, but it will be counted as a regular vote otherwise.

On top of that, you are a Miller, you will be inspected as being aligned with the Mafia should you be investigated.

You are aligned with the

Town

, and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Code: Select all

Welcome ____, you are a [color=#00FF00]Miller Doublevoter[/color].
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast, and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a Doublevoter, on top of your regular vote, you have a second vote which you can cast in secret by privately messaging me on your second target. You may cast this vote on anyone, regardless of the state of your regular vote. This vote will not be registered in votecounts and will not change the lynch threshold, but it will be counted as a regular vote otherwise.

On top of that, you are a Miller, you will be inspected as being aligned with the Mafia should you be investigated.

You are aligned with the [color=#00FF00]Town[/color], and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated.

Vanilla Townie

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

Vanilla Townie

You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are aligned with the

Town

and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated

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Welcome ____, you are a [color=#00FF00]Vanilla Townie[/color]
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are aligned with the [color=#00FF00]Town[/color] and win when all threats to your faction are eliminated

Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker

You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a 2-Shot Roleblocker, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name, and your target will not have their night action carried out this night should they have one. You may do this up to 2 times.

You are aligned with the

Mafia

, along with ____, and win when your faction is the last one left standing, or when nothing can stop this from happening.

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Welcome ____, you are a [color=#FF0000]Mafia 2-Shot Roleblocker[/color]
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are also a 2-Shot Roleblocker, anytime during the night phase, you may send me a name, and your target will not have their night action carried out this night should they have one. You may do this up to 2 times.

You are aligned with the [color=#FF0000]Mafia[/color], along with ____, and win when your faction is the last one left standing, or when nothing can stop this from happening.

Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome ____, you are a

Mafia Goon

You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are aligned with the

Mafia

, along with ____, and win when your faction is the last one left standing, or when nothing can stop this from happening.

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Welcome ____, you are a [color=#FF0000]Mafia Goon[/color]
You have a voice to use and a vote to cast and you may use these tools anytime during the day phase.

You are aligned with the [color=#FF0000]Mafia[/color], along with ____, and win when your faction is the last one left standing, or when nothing can stop this from happening.

[mastina]

Question: does the roleblock refund an X-shot?
If not, then I'd change this:

your target will not have their night action carried out this night should they have one.

...To,
"your target will have their night action fail should they have one".
(It's an important semantics thing, because stopping the action from happening implies the shot is never used; causing the action to fail implies the action happens, just unsuccessfully and therefore the shot is burned.)

Otherwise good to me.

[XnadrojX]

Yeah, imagine that that's the real role PM ,re posting the thing will look ugly

[mhsmith0]

Do you guys know what the normal doublevoter function is? Whether they need to be in thread, or via PM, etc?

Also, can scum use PR and shoot simultaneously? Probably worthwhile to make that explicit in role PM for roleblocker as well as in opening post.

Also your scum role PMs should have a link to scum topic.

[mastina]

Double-voters use their voting method however the mod deems it worthy:
Privately submitted and showing anonymously,
Privately submitted and not showing (VERY uncommon),
Hidden attribute of the player (their vote is always worth two),
Activated hidden attribute of the player (they can make their vote worth two, but can't vote two different players; a bit uncommon),
Or requiring a double-vote in-thread.
The last one is probably slightly more common than the others and is also my personal preference for the role (less shenanigans), but all of these versions have been used.

[XnadrojX]

Scum can shoot and block simultaneously, i prefer PM and no show for the DoubleVoter (least information disclosed, inferrable after day one makes it not broken, as well as the fact it doesn't raise lynch requirements). I will send the scumtopic in a separate PM.

[Nexus]

Is anything other than actually in thread seen as normal? I genuinely don't think non-explicit doublevoters are non-normal...

[mastina]

Double-voters aren't a normal role (they're a graylist), so like hiders, there's no established rule behind how they operate. (Heck, hiders are actually closer to standardized than double-voters in my opinion since there's GENERALLY consensus on how they more or less work, just varying in the details. Double-voters have no such consensus and their mechanics vary widely.)

For personal reasons, I prefer the public double-vote (mainly because it being public makes it less of an alteration to fundamental game mechanics in my opinion), but there's no established standard.

[Nexus]

I mean, we can change what is normal in a way, right? I agree with you - public double-voters are imo the only acceptable ones for a normal game.

[XnadrojX]

I guess i could make the public double vote public if its the only one that conforms to normality. I guess it's Nexus' call as the List Mod to decide whether my version is normal

[XnadrojX]

So Nexus?

[Nexus]

Sorry, I thought it was obvious - yes, public double votes.

[XnadrojX]

All right got everything ready.

First Post

A long, long, web in here, in a URL deep, deep, internal.
There was a website, called MAFIASCUM.
In this magical land, we played the amazing game known as mafia with people we've never met.
And that's what we're doing right now.

Welcome to Mini Normal ____ - In The Web

Spoiler: Players

Spoiler: Alive ?/13

Spoiler: Dead ?/13

Player Name: Player Role, Player Alignment

Second Post

The All Important Rules

General:

1. All site-wide rules apply here.
2. You may not quote your Role PM or any other moderator provided information directly, paraphrasing or copy/pasting is OK so long there is NO QUOTE
3. All votes must be in the format "VOTE: Nexus" and all requests to the moderator must be in the format "

@MOD: (request)

". These may NOT be hidden in any way.
4. Although this is a game about being an asshole, please be asshole to a certain extent. Do not go too far with your words or I may warn you or even replace you without notice. If you are unsure of what is OK, please PM me first (I'm generally quite tolerant).
5. Please inform of any mistakes I make
6. Do NOT use any form of sneaky tactics including but not limited to encrypted text, hidden messages, hard to see colours and small text
7. Do not attempt to game the system or pretend to break the rules in any way. If you do, sufficient punishment will be dealt.
8. I reserve the right to edit, add, or remove the rules to fix any loopholes.

Game Related:

1. My life sucks so I occasionally may not be able to provide a votecount. if this happens, I am incredibly sorry.
2. Days last 14 days, Night 48 hours, extensions may be granted on a case-by-case basis (e.g site crash, other major issue)
3. If you do not post within 48 hours, I will prod you.
4. If you are prodded, respond within 48 hours or I will replace you.
5. If i find a replacement at Night, the night will be extended by 24 hours to accomadate the new replacement.
6. You may make a "BAH!" post ONLY IF: You were not present during the twilight, and your post may only contain the letters "b", "a", and "h" along with an optional "!"
7. If you will be unable to be active in thread for over 48 hours, please make a V/LA post in bold. As long as the time is reasonable, you will be exempt from prods.
8. If someone receives 3 prods, I will forcefully replace them.
9. I reserve the right to edit, add, or remove these rules as well.

Sample PM:

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Vanilla Townie

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated, who are defined as having this win condtion.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Vanilla) and faction (Town).
The game thread is

here

This is my Mod Colour, all edits and VCs will be in this colour (#00FF00). DO NOT USE IT. (use #00FF40 for VCAing)

VC Template

[ area=Official VC (day number).(VC number) ]

(Largest Wagon Name) is at L-X

Not Voting (13) [Player Name, Player Name ....... , Player Name, Player Name]

Accurate to Post #[ post ]number[ /post ]

With X Alive, it's (X/2)+1 to lynch.

[ /area ]
[ area=Mod Notes ]

Mod Notes go here(V/LAs, etc.)

[ /area ]

and my setup is here:

The Setup

Town

2-Shot Friendly Neighbour

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

2-shot Friendly Neighbour

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
Not only that, you are also a very friendly person, so during the night, you may head out to town to inform someone of your faction. You only have enough confidence to talk to two people however, so choose wisely.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated, who are defined as having this win condtion.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (2-Shot Friendly Neighbour) and faction (Town).

1-Shot Friendly Neighbour

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

1-shot Friendly Neighbour

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
Not only that, you are also a very friendly person, so during the night, you may head out to town to inform someone of your faction. You only have enough confidence to talk to one person however, so choose wisely.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated, who are defined as having this win condtion.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (1-Shot Friendly Neighbour) and faction (Town).

Odd-Night Cop

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Odd Night Cop

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
Not only that, you are also a very alert person, so during the night, you may look out of your window and spy on one person's door to look at what activity goes on there so you can determine their alignment. However, you are incredibly superstitious, and you only believe you should inspect on odd-numbered nights.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated, who are defined as having this win condtion.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Odd-Night Cop) and faction (Town).

Foreign Psychic

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Foreign Psychic

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
You are trained in the arts of the psychic, which allows you to view events from a disembodied perspective. This allows you to have a second which you cast through PMing me. This vote will NOT be registered in the VC but it will be counted. The second vote may be on two different people, or all on one person. With your great power, you may unleash it all at once during the night, and gain ALL results I have sent. You do not who sent them or who received them, but you will know whatever results were obtained this night. However, this burns all your strength, and you may not have a second vote afterwards. Due to the fact you come from a foreign land, people have some doubts about you, and you will inspect unfavourably to cops. This is not explicitly Normal, and you will flip with this Role PM.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated, who are defined as having this win condtion.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Foreign Psychic) and faction (Town).

VT x 5

Mafia

Mafia Traitor

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Mafia Traitor

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
You are a old cast-away from the group of Mafia. You now wish to return but due to the chaos, you do not know who the Mafia is. However, the Mafia have been notified of your return. They do not know who you are as you sent the return letter anoynomously.
You win when the Town have been eliminated, and your faction controls the remaining votes, who are defined as having this win condition.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Traitor) and faction (Mafia).

Mafia JailKeeper

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Mafia JailKeeper

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
You are an ex-JailKeeper which means you have knowledge of the art of imprisonment. You were lured to the dark side by promises of power and cookies. You hold the keys to your faction's dungeon, and each Night, you may lock up a citizen to prevent them from being killed, but also prevents them from carrying out any action they may have.
You win when the Town have been eliminated, and your faction controls the remaining votes, who are defined as having this win condition.
Your faction has a factional kill at night which anyone of the Mafia faction may utilise to kill. You may kill and JailKeep at the same time. You are informed that there is a Mafia Traitor out there on your side.
Your Mafia Private Topic is

here

, along with your partners ____ and ____.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Jailkeeper) and faction (Mafia).

Mafia One-Shot Ninja

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Mafia One-Shot Ninja

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
You are a trained disciple of a master of stealth. You were lured to the dark side by promises of power and cookies. You know the techniques of stealth, which means that actions you perform will not be seen by anyone but yourself. However, you only have the confidence to perform it once, which means you may only use your ninja techniques once
You win when the Town have been eliminated, and your faction controls the remaining votes, who are defined as having this win condition.
Your faction has a factional kill at night which anyone of the Mafia faction may utilise to kill. You are informed that there is a Mafia Traitor out there on your side.
Your Mafia Private Topic is

here

, along with your partners ____ and ____
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (One-Shot Ninja) and faction (Mafia).

Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Role PM

Welcome to Mini Normal _____, you are a

Mafia Goon

You have a power in your voice, and since you live in a democracy, you have power in your vote as well.
You were a regular citizen, but the Mafia have lured you to the dark side with promises of power and cookies.
You win when the Town have been eliminated, and your faction controls the remaining votes, who are defined as having this win condition.
Your faction has a factional kill at night which anyone of the Mafia faction may utilise to kill. You may kill and JailKeep at the same time. You are informed that there is a Mafia Traitor out there on your side.
Your Mafia Private Topic is

here

, along with your partners ___ and ___.
Please confirm to me by replying with your role name (Vanilla) and faction (Mafia).

Results

Spoiler: Friendly Neighbour

You were visited by a very friendly looking ___ last night, who informed you that they were town.

Spoiler: Cop

Your investigation revealed ___ to be Mafia/Not Mafia. {inspect succesful}
Your investiagtion did not return any results. {inspect was blocked}

...have a second vote which you cast ...

EBWOP

I have one Mini of modding experience (Mini Normal 1862)
I currently have no modding commitments and I am currently playing in one Mini Theme, one Large Theme, and one Micro.
I currently do not have a backup moderator.
I do not want the setup distribution to be revealed.

Ok, when you say public double votes does it mean they announce like "SECOND/DOUBLE VOTE: PLAYER"?

[XnadrojX]

Ugm ignore the quote

[Nexus]

No, they just have to vote publicly:

e.g.

vote: nexus

vote: XnadrojX

I usually make them do the second vote in a different colour.

[XnadrojX]

Oh, so in the same post?

[XnadrojX]

What's the difference between making th announce second vote and doing it in a different colour?

[XnadrojX]

Oh, so in the same post?

Ignore this

[mykonian]

What's the difference between making th announce second vote and doing it in a different colour?

As long as it's obvious to people reading the thread, you are fine. Just make sure you don't have to guess if they are shifting their first vote, or making a second.

[Nexus]

Yeah it can be in separate posts but I would suggest giving them a colour to use, or bold tag for one, vote tag for the other.