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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:39 am

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In post 22, BNL wrote:Whatever I’ll just use this thread

Mafia Rolestopper Neighbour
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In post 23, Something_Smart wrote:Seems a bit scumsided, given that the traffic analyst won't ever get a guilty unless scum choose to kill the neighbor.

Why the rolestopper?
Would it be better if I movee the Mafia Neighbour to the Goon?
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:31 am

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Ok sorry

Yeah it would be better, but I just think rolestopper is not all that interesting of a scum role in a 9p. There is exactly one person they are ever going to be rolestopping, until their partner dies and they're made pointless.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:35 am

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sorry missed it - i can still make you a new PT if you want or I can edit posts here to scrub them
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:45 pm

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Mafia Neighbour
Mafia Disloyal Rolestopper
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Town Neighbour
4 Vanilla Townie

Better?
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:46 pm

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Rolestopper is to prevent getting getting useful results on certain players
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:48 pm

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Or would it be more balanced if I ditched the Rolestopper altogether?
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:48 pm

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Hmm
The neighbors already prevent useful results on some players. I don't think the disloyal rolestopper is that good for scum though because anyone it gets tracked to is confirmed town after it flips.

That setup seems pretty balanced. TA + Tracker could run away with the game but only if they're both believed and scum fails miserably at PR hunting.

Feel like maybe scum need a slight buff. TA inno N1, scum lynch D2, and tracker inno N2 is pretty rough.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:49 pm

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But full rolestopper is too strong?
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:09 pm

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Actually I think the Mafia neighbour is some power of itself because historically scum has always won games with that role, possibly due to pocketing
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:56 am

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Oops I did not realise this setup has already been run
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:58 pm

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Eh this setup is still subtsantially different so
1 Mafia Goon
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1 Town Detective
1 Town Night 4 Vig
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:39 am

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I'm just not sure about a traffic analyst in a micro where it can only guilty one person... I imagine it won't be very fun to play.

What does detective get if their target makes a kill that night?
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:00 pm

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Hm... but it still can get innos
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:01 pm

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I could move the neighbour from a scum to a VT, but that means there are very few VTs
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:01 pm

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In post 36, Something_Smart wrote:I'm just not sure about a traffic analyst in a micro where it can only guilty one person... I imagine it won't be very fun to play.

What does detective get if their target makes a kill that night?
Guily, per normal guidelines
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:02 pm

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Wait the N4 vig doesn’t work as I intend it to
Replace it with a VT
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:27 am

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Right now, the goon can be guiltied by either investigative, and the tracker can't be guiltied by either, assuming the goon kills so the tracker can track. Is that what you intended? It's kinda rough for that one scum.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:28 am

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I think it's pretty townsided, considering town always has a cop (TA with two scum alive, detective with one) and the town neighbor gets cleared if the tracker flips.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:53 pm

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Oh no that was not my intention
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:49 pm

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1 Mafia Tracker
1 Mafia Neighbour
1 Town Traffic Analyst
1 Town Detective
1 Town Neighbour
4 Vanilla Townie

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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:43 pm

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1 Mafia Tracker
1 Mafia Neighbour
1 Town Traffic Analyst
1 Town Detective
1 Town Neighbour
4 Vanilla Townie

Does this look balanced?
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:47 pm

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Sorry.

It might be better to make the tracker a rolecop, if only because then they know not to claim it. Claiming tracker into this setup has got to be suicide. If scum aren't handed a fakeclaim that's a death sentence, there are a lot of fakeclaims they could use (most notably, any protective). That combined with the fact that scum neighbors are usually very strong for scum means it's probably within balanced range.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:04 pm

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I wanted a Tracker because that was used in the previous variant.

But rolecop is fine too.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:08 am

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With the rolecop change, I guess I'll pass it. Sorry I took so long, I just really wasn't a huge fan of the setup I guess.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:48 am

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In post 48, Something_Smart wrote:With the rolecop change, I guess I'll pass it. Sorry I took so long, I just really wasn't a huge fan of the setup I guess.
Same here lol

But why do you say tracker claim is scumclaiming here?
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