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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:36 pm

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sure, but if mastina disagrees then gif is only strictly beholden to her
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:42 pm

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i will say the level of complexity of the setup is bonkers and i don't think it belongs in the normal queue

but if mastina passes it obviously gogogo
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:25 am

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In post 24, RadiantCowbells wrote:hmm

as a secondary reviewer should i do something here
Well your feedback helps refine my thoughts here. For instance, thinking that the town might have one too many fruit vendors (I'm not opposed to having multiple fruit vendor visitors in a game) right now.

Or maybe dropping the enabler altogether, so that it's something there the whole game.

I don't think that the setup needs fundamental revision because it in spite of being thematic is within the basic range of a Normal. (For instance, I ran a Normal with four town JOATs and a scum JOAT: thematic, but still Normal. That's what I mean.)

I do think that the finer points of it, the details, could be tweaked, and that's what you can help with.

I'm fine with thematic, as long as it's not TOO themed. Thematic can give the game a flair; THEMED belongs in a different queue.

The game as is, I'd call closer to thematic than Themed, but I'm still a bit hesitant. Also, balance doesn't quite seem "on the mark", even if it's close.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:15 pm

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I don't want the thing to stay whole game because I don't want to make tracker useless permanently.
I thought about dropping one town fruit vendor but since I made one of them mason 2:1 alignment ratio from unconfirmed satisfies without dropping one. (Kinda like how 3-people neighborhood works, ya know)
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:10 pm

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So, would this be what we're working with then?:
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Visitor
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Visitor
Town Tracker
Town Doctor
Town 1-shot Vigilante


vs

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Nurse
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler


If so, then I'm okay with the Normalcy and would just need to get further refinement; since the 1x vig would get the game on evens unless the doctor/nurse protected successfully (an event unlikely to happen), I'd recommend bumping the vig up to 2x for balance.

With that change, I'd call it as close to the mark as you'll get; you've got a weak investigative, a decent protective, a decent killing role, and masons, against a now-not-useless Neapolitan investigative, Enabler that weakens the tracker, and Nurse.

It'd just be refining the details as I mentioned;
Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:05 pm

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The fruit vendor visitors should be able to target the same player with both abilities, right? that's how multiroles work, right?
i know i'm the one who's supposed to answer this but
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2019 12:33 am

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In post 30, implosion wrote:The fruit vendor visitors should be able to target the same player with both abilities, right? that's how multiroles work, right?
i know i'm the one who's supposed to answer this but
Yes
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Thu May 02, 2019 6:21 pm

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In post 29, mastina wrote:Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?
Both
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 5:04 am

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In post 29, mastina wrote:I'd recommend bumping the vig up to 2x for balance.
I missed this tidbit.
2SV is fine with me.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 9:17 am

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In post 32, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 29, mastina wrote:Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?
Both
Alright, then, for clarity I'd recommend specifying that in the wording:

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor
Town Tracker
Town Doctor
Town 1-shot Vigilante


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Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Nurse
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 9:18 am

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In post 34, mastina wrote:Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler
And speaking of which: is the lack of 'Compulsive Visitor' here intentional?
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 9:32 am

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Yes it's intentional.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Fri May 03, 2019 11:00 am

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Alright, good, just checking!
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Sun May 05, 2019 9:11 am

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So this is done?
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Sun May 05, 2019 9:30 am

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In post 38, implosion wrote:So this is done?
No we need role PMs and such, but the balance/Normalcy is.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Sun May 05, 2019 11:13 am

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Oh I'll get those done by tomorrow.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 5:12 am

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role pm
Role:
Vanilla Townie


Description:
You have no special abilities

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason Compulsive Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason


Description:
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Tracker


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Doctor


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town 2-shot Vigilante


Description:
Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Neapolitan


Description:
During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are
Vanilla Townie
.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Nurse


Description:
When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon May 06, 2019 5:12 am

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In post 41, GuyInFreezer wrote:
role pm
Role:
Vanilla Townie


Description:
You have no special abilities

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason


Description:
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Tracker


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Doctor


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town 2-shot Vigilante


Description:
Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Neapolitan


Description:
During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are
Vanilla Townie
.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Nurse


Description:
When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2019 8:30 am

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If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
I'm not sure if this is Normal or not. Gimme a lil' bit to check on that.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2019 8:52 am

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It's not.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2019 9:35 am

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In post 44, implosion wrote:It's not.
Well that saves me the effort of looking. :P

Soyeah, need to change that.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Tue May 07, 2019 11:27 am

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Wait its not normal to do that?
Ok will change
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Fri May 10, 2019 10:05 am

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role pm
Role:
Vanilla Townie


Description:
You have no special abilities

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Mason


Description:
You are a Mason with
Name,
whom are confirmed as
Town
.
PT: link

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Tracker


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town Doctor


Description:
During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Town 2-shot Vigilante


Description:
Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:
You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Neapolitan


Description:
During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are
Vanilla Townie
.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Nurse


Description:
When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


role pm
Role:
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler


Description:
During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are
Mafia
with
Names

PT: link


Win Condition:
You win when your faction controls half of the town.


I was waiting on replies until I realized that I probably have to change my role PM to reflect the changes first.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Fri May 10, 2019 11:30 am

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Final thing to ask for and then we're good; can I get the formatting of your Tracker/Neapolitan result PMs? (Including a hypothetical No Result PM even though this setup doesn't have a way for that result to exist.) Want to make sure they're Normal, just in case.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Sun May 12, 2019 4:48 am

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[Target] visited [Player]/No Result.

[Target] is (not) a Vanilla Townie/No Result.
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