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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:48 pm

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*protect at the expense of a result
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:48 pm

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eh nvm cause an unprompted 'no result' would basically clear the person giving the 'no result'
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:15 pm

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What's wrong with making the traffic analyst macho and just having a doctor?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:25 am

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town macho traffic analyst
town doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector

or

town traffic analyst
town simple doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector

(i feel like the simple doctor would be better over macho modifier considering mailman is also clearable on setup spec and macho modifier indirectly clears the doctor claim and that'd be two clears and an invest; however, if that's not too unbalanced then i'd be down for the macho modifier on the TA)
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:30 am

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I don't know if mailman is clearable on setup spec given that we almost just made it scum :P

Did you intend for the MD to be multitasking? It makes sense for it to be... but I don't want to run into bullshit like we tried to do in Jazz Mafia where we tried to confirm that LUV was really a voyeur, which would have cleared him unless multitasking.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:34 am

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macho it is !!

hmmm;; i could make the MD multitasking and possibly give the mailman a multitasking modifier as a hint ??
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:37 am

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I mean, you're allowed to reveal setup info in the rules. You can always just say "if scum have any visiting PR's, they will be multitasking." Yeah people would read into that and assume there is one, but that's kind of unavoidable if you want to warn town about multitasking.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:39 am

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I don't like the hint idea. If you want to give info to town like that, just make them informed. Making the mailman informed would also give them something to say in their message.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:39 am

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ohh duh
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:44 am

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Also, heckin bamboozled, I was the secondary reviewer the whole time :3

In other words, I'm just a consultant :P I'd like to hear from RC and see how he feels about all this. All this informed business may be a bit much.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:46 am

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preferring the publicly confirmed that scum is multitasking idea cause it at least gives scum warning

but like goon getting lynched kinda nerfs the TA anyways so im thinking multitasking isnt necessary
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:47 am

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Yeah true. No multitasking is probably fine.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:47 am

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town macho traffic analyst
town doctor
town mailman
VT x4
mafia goon
mafia motion detector


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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:48 am

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Non-multitasking scum just irks me in general, but it makes sense here with the traffic analyst.

I think this is pretty good. Let's see what RC thinks.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:59 am

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townsided now
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:03 am

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Would it be better with simple doctor?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:04 am

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what if i take out the doctor and make it goon/goon

would be more minimalist ig
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:06 am

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In post 65, Something_Smart wrote:Would it be better with simple doctor?
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:06 am

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That's just a worse cop 9p, though. I'm guessing the problem is that the macho confirms the doctor.

We could make the traffic analyst ascetic instead.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:08 am

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ascetic kinda nerfs the MD :l
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:52 pm

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out of curiosity;

how would something like this fare?

1-shot loyal neighborizer
motion detector
visitor
fv x 4
goon
encryptor

thats like 1 clear (1-shot loyal neighborizer may or may not be mislynchable ?? likeeee i mislynched CJ as one but saudade managed to last a whileee in my large normal)
and MD has a little more entropy/wiggle room for scum than tracker esp w the visitor (but is also less lynchable just based on the existence of the visitor...)

loyal neighborizer loses the communication advantage w/ daytalk disabled and cant even talk to their clear until n2 but still has that clear at least
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:55 pm

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uh pretend that says VT x 4 not fv x 4
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:11 am

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seems fine to me
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:31 am

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Setup wrote:01 Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer
02 Town Motion Detector
03 Town Visitor
04 Town Vanilla
05 Town Vanilla
06 Town Vanilla
07 Town Vanilla
08 Mafia Encryptor
09 Mafia Goon
Role PMs wrote:
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town 1-shot Loyal Neighborizer.
Abilities:
Once per game, on any night, you may recruit a player into a neighborhood. This action will fail if your target is not town. Your neighborhood may be found [here], and will open upon successful recruitment.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Motion Detector.
Abilities:
Each night you may target a player to determine if they performed an action or had an action performed on them. You may receive one of three results: "motion detected," "no motion detected," or, if your action failed, "no result."
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Town Visitor.
Abilities:
Each night you may choose to visit another player. This visit will have no effect on your target beyond visiting that player.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Encryptor.
Abilities:
While you are alive, you and your partner may talk during the day.
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Goon. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon.
Abilities:
You share a private topic with [Playername], a Mafia Encryptor. You may communicate with them at any time [here].
Your team has a factional night-kill. Each night your team can designate one teammate to perform this kill.
Win condition:
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.
Action Messages wrote:
Neighborization wrote:You were recruited into a neighborhood by [player]! You may talk in this neighborhood at night [here].
MD Result wrote:Last night after investigating [player] you [detected motion]/[did not detect motion].
Post #0 wrote:
Micro ####: Danny DeVito Mafia

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Moderator: Skygazer
Reviewers: ??? and ???


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Rules, adapted from schadd_ who adapted them from Nexus.

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General:
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- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread.
- Day phases will last 10 days (or until a lynch is achieved).
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phase, no talking may be done in the thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM me.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- Don't publicly talk about potentially replacing out, and don't publicly request for other players to replace out. If you have an issue that may need to be resolved through a replacement, please feel free to bring it up privately with me!
- If you break any of these rules, you may be modkilled (only with a listmod's blessing) or force-replaced.

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- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- You may vote No Lynch to Not Lynch.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If nobody dies for 4 consecutive day and night phases, the town will win.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).
- If you have more than one night specific actions, you may only use one per night unless specified otherwise.

Activity:
- You are expected make a game-state advancing post at least once every 48 hours. If you haven't posted for 48 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than two prods, I will force-replace you.

Mechanics:
- 006688 is my color. Feel free to use it if you'd like! Just not to impersonate me or to mislead others.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- I may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.
- This is a normal game and follows normal guidelines.
- Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor.

Sample Role PMs:


Spoiler: Vanilla Townie
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

The game thread is [here]. Please send me a PM confirming your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Mafia Win Condition
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or when your factions controls half of the votes).
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:39 am

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Barring an extraordinarily mechanics-ignorant town or a scum strong investigative CC, neighborizer shouldn't be lynched. Leaves two hard clears, a couple of potential soft clears pending setup spec and claims, and plenty of room for confusion.

Only thing I don't like is that MD can get clears after a scumflip... maybe a N1 MD?
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