innocentvillager's Mini Normal Review, February 2021

[implosion]

y'know what, screw it:

Town Novice 1-shot vigilante
Town 1-shot bulletproof Traffic Analyst
Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer
Town Non-consecutive nights Disloyal Roleblocker
Town Universal Backup
5x VT
Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop
Mafia Roleblocker Enabler
Mafia Goon

let's see how bad this is

[implosion]

Primary: mastina
Secondary: Ircher

[mastina]

I kinda like it. The game is incredibly low on swing in my opinion and eyeballing it, I legit think it's in the balanced range. The town's roles give them a notable advantage, but are notably not so strong they are gamebreaking. There is very very minor anti-synergy from the neighborizer/traffic analyst, but overall their PRs feel like they give the town a tangible edge without being overwhelmingly strong. None of the roles feel like they are innately going to inherently be believed or disbelieved, on both sides for that matter.

It feels like a game where scum have reasonable agency, but not unlimited agency, and which revolves largely around dayplay rather than mechanics/nightplay.

I do wanna hear Ircher's thoughts there tho to gutcheck my feelings here, see if he thinks there's any glaring issues I'm glossing over, but if not I'm thinking of just passing it as-is.

[innocentvillager]

ooooh wow I’m shocked that this was in the passable range! thnk u this was my first setup lmao

[Ircher]

I think my only concern about this setup is the 1-shot bulletproof traffic analyst. Bulletproofs are a bit annoying to play around as scum especially when they are on a powerful PR. Traffic analyst is a pretty strong role in general as it can generate cop-level clears, and there are not many roles in this setup that would generate false guilties, so it is a reliable investigative. Now, the good thing about traffic analyst is that it becomes useless when one scum is left (and due to the neighborizer, it will gradually weaken across the game anyway)s), but scum will most likely have to deal with the role being alive most of the game due to the bulletproof.

[innocentvillager]

Gotcha that makes sense. I wasn’t sure where to put that, I felt like I wanted some more protection against night kills (including from the Novice Vig). Should we just take out the 1shot bullet proof then?

[innocentvillager]

role PMs taking out the 1-shot bulletproof:

Spoiler: Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Your only powers are your voice and your vote.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Novice 1-Shot Vigilante

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Novice 1-Shot Vigilante

.

On exactly one night other than Night 1, you may visit a player. Assuming no interference, that player will die.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Traffic Analyst

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

.

Each night you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Universal Backup

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Universal Backup

.

You will inherit the role of Town power roles who die, losing this ability in the process.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker

.

Each night, you may target a player if you did not target anyone the previous night. Assuming no interference with your action, that player's active abilities will be blocked that night. Your ability will fail if you target someone whose alignment is the same as your own.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer

.

On even numbered nights (Night 2, Night 4, etc.), you may target a player. The first time you succeed, you will create a neighborhood topic with that player; after that, any additional targets will be added to that topic. Your action will fail if you target a player whose role is not the vanilla role for their alignment.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia goon

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Roleblocker Enabler, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Goon, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

If you die, any roleblocker abilities in the game will stop working.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Goon, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Roleblocker Enabler. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

On odd numbered nights (Night 1, Night 3, etc.), you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn that player's role (but not their alignment).

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

[mastina]

Gotcha that makes sense. I wasn’t sure where to put that, I felt like I wanted some more protection against night kills (including from the Novice Vig). Should we just take out the 1shot bullet proof then?

Should be fine, yes.

It should be noted that the rolecop cannot kill and use their action the same night, but the roles look good.

(Also, tho unlikely to occur, there should be priority for what happens if the first two power roles to die, die on the same night to the vig and the mafia kill. Is important to set before the game.)

[innocentvillager]

so even if the Rolecop is the last mafia, are they not allowed to rolecop and kill in the same night?

is there no agreed precedent for which of the vig/mafia kill happens first? (if not can we just say the mafia happens first arbitrarily, so Universal Backup would become the mafia kill's role). And do I have to include that in the Universal Backup's role PM (or anyone's)?

[Ircher]

1) so even if the Rolecop is the last mafia, are they not allowed to rolecop and kill in the same night?

2) is there no agreed precedent for which of the vig/mafia kill happens first? (if not can we just say the mafia happens first arbitrarily, so Universal Backup would become the mafia kill's role).

3) And do I have to include that in the Universal Backup's role PM (or anyone's)?

1) Nope.
2) Nope. One of the things to realize is that the normal role whitelist is rather large, and it's hard to specify all yhe various interactions between roles. Thus, some things are judgement calls by the NRG, and others are left to the individual moderators. This is a situation that happens rarely in a normal game, so there isn't a great need to standardize it.
3) Nope. I would advise against actually putting it in the role pms as it implies certain things about the setup. It's more of a "if it happens" or "if you are asked" kind of thing.

[innocentvillager]

Cool, thanks that makes sense! Am I good to go once I add the line “You may not perform both your factional kill and your rolecop ability in the same night” in the Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop PM?

[mastina]

Cool, thanks that makes sense! Am I good to go once I add the line “You may not perform both your factional kill and your rolecop ability in the same night” in the Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop PM?

You are!

[innocentvillager]

cool, thanks for the speedy review!

Final Setup

:

Town Novice 1-Shot vigilante
Town Traffic Analyst
Town Universal Backup
Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker
Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer
5x VT

Mafia Goon
Mafia Roleblocker Enabler
Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop

Spoiler: Final Generic Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Your only powers are your voice and your vote.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Novice 1-Shot Vigilante

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Novice 1-Shot Vigilante

.

On exactly one night other than Night 1, you may visit a player. Assuming no interference, that player will die.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Traffic Analyst

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Traffic Analyst

.

Each night you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn whether or not that player is able to privately communicate with another living player (you cannot distinguish between a player who is alone in a private topic, and a player who does not have private topic access at all).

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Universal Backup

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Universal Backup

.

You will inherit the role of Town power roles who die, losing this ability in the process.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Non-Consecutive Nights Disloyal Roleblocker

.

Each night, you may target a player if you did not target anyone the previous night. Assuming no interference with your action, that player's active abilities will be blocked that night. Your ability will fail if you target someone whose alignment is the same as your own.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Town Even Nights Simple Neighborizer

.

On even numbered nights (Night 2, Night 4, etc.), you may target a player. The first time you succeed, you will create a neighborhood topic with that player; after that, any additional targets will be added to that topic. Your action will fail if you target a player whose role is not the vanilla role for their alignment.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia goon

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Roleblocker Enabler, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker Enabler

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Goon, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

If you die, any roleblocker abilities in the game will stop working.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.

Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop

Hello, and welcome to GAME NUMBER!

You are a

Mafia Odd Nights Rolecop

.

You share a private topic with PLAYER, who is a Mafia Goon, and PLAYER, who is a Mafia Roleblocker Enabler. You may discuss the game at all times with them here: LINK GOES HERE. You share a factional nightkill with them: each night, one of you may target a player. If successful, that player will die.

On odd numbered nights (Night 1, Night 3, etc.), you may target a player. Assuming no interference with your action, you will learn that player's role (but not their alignment).

You may not perform both your factional kill and your rolecop ability in the same night.

You win when all town members are dead and at least one mafia member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm by sending me a PM with your role and alignment.