GuyInFreezer's Mini Normal Review, June 2021

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Town Combined Doctor Vigilante
Town Macho-Enabler
Town Macho Miller Day 4 Innocent Child
Town Night 2 Cop
Town 1-shot Even-night Cop
Vanilla Townie x 5

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler
Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof Watcher
Mafia Vigilante-Enabler 2-shot Roleblocker

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1. Deadline for each day is
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   . Deadline for each night is
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   days.
   
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Normalcy

1. Daychat is not enabled by default.

Sample Role PM

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special power.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special power.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Combined Doctor Vigilante

.

During the night, you may target a player to shoot and protect from all kill attempts.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho-Enabler

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Macho" modifier will lose the "Macho" status.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho Miller Day 4 Innocent Child

.

You can not be protected in any way. You will be investigated as "Mafia" by potential Cop.
You will automatically be announced as mod-confirmed town at the beginning of Day 4.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Night 2 Cop

.

During Night 2, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town 1-shot Even-Night Cop

.

Once per game during the even night, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler

.

You cannot be protected in any way.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Doctor" role will lose the "Doctor" status.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia Vigilante-Enabler 2-shot Roleblocker

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Vigilante" role will lose the "Vigilante" status.

Twice in a game, you may roleblock a target during the night.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

1-shot Bulletproof Watcher

.

You are protected from a single kill attempt.

During the night, you may target a player to see which players have visited the target.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

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Primary: northsidegal
Secondary: Ircher

[northsidegal]

copy pasting for my own sake:

Town Combined Doctor Vigilante
Town Macho-Enabler
Town Macho Miller Day 4 Innocent Child
Town Night 2 Cop
Town 1-shot Even-night Cop
Vanilla Townie x 5

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler
Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof Watcher
Mafia Vigilante-Enabler 2-shot Roleblocker

[GuyInFreezer]

:^)

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m not quite sure if two cops make it too townsided. With IC that’s potential to clear 3 ppl with town assumption that at least one cop claim will be town.

[northsidegal]

:^)

why

[northsidegal]

will actually review this tomorrow

for now i'm just gonna leave you with that question

[GuyInFreezer]

Because imagine combined vig doc

[GuyInFreezer]

Basically if doctor enabler dies it will turn into a vig.
If vig enabler dies it will turn into doctor

[GuyInFreezer]

.

[northsidegal]

yeah alright

so in my infinite grace i am choosing to allow the role of combined doctor vigilante to pass. but macho miller d4 innocent child is a step too far, that role needs to go, or change somehow. get rid of the miller and i think it'll be fine. as the setup is now i think it's roughly on the scumsided end of things actually, the only real town power is essentially two one shot cops, the combination of whose claims will likely cast doubt on the others assuming that both even live that long. that isn't that good.

by the way, just as a design criticism rather than a balance or normality or fun point, i think that this setup probably hinges too much on the combined doc vig. the curse of the setup designer is that this means that whoever rolls this roll will almost certainly get eliminated or killed at the earliest possible opportunity, ruining your setup. happens every time.

anyways, i think the mafia watcher needs to go, probably also the 1-shot BP as well? probably also the roleblocker. at least one of those scum roles has to go, it's too much scum power. that being said i think it would be useful to give scum a strongman given the innocents and doc in the setup. here's a proposal:

Town Combined Doctor Vigilante
Town Macho-Enabler
Town Macho Day 4 Innocent Child
Town Night 2 Cop
Town 1-shot Even-night Cop
Vanilla Townie x 5

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler
Mafia 1-shot Strongman
Mafia Vigilante-Enabler

let me know what you think.

[GuyInFreezer]

Can I keep mafia 1SBP for red herring and etc
Mafia macho still dies to combined vig doctor because macho can’t be protected.

[northsidegal]

yeah, i know that the mafia macho still dies. could you clarify what you mean by "red herring"?

[GuyInFreezer]

I want a strongman and 1SBP on same side so 1SBP is a safe claim for scum to make.
Also 1SBP helps when macho doc enabler dies

[northsidegal]

meh. i might be willing to have 1-shot BP 1-shot strongman if Ircher signs off on it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like if there is a strongman and someone claim 1SBP ppl gon think “wow that must be a town claim” when it really isn’t.

[Ircher]

meh. i might be willing to have 1-shot BP 1-shot strongman if Ircher signs off on it.

I guess it's okay. I think this setup is really really swingy, and having a 1-shot bulletproof will slightly reduce the amount of swing involved. It does strengthen scum some, but it's probably okay in the current meta.

[GuyInFreezer]

I forget how this works.
Do I need to remak role PMs to get good2go sign once reviewers agree to the setup

[northsidegal]

yes, we need to approve the final versions of the role PMs and result PMs before it's passed

[GuyInFreezer]

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special power.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Combined Doctor Vigilante

.

During the night, you may target a player to shoot and protect from all kill attempts.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho-Enabler

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Macho" modifier will lose the "Macho" status.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho Day 4 Innocent Child

.

You can not be protected in any way.
You will automatically be announced as mod-confirmed town at the beginning of Day 4.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Night 2 Cop

.

During Night 2, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town 1-shot Even-Night Cop

.

Once per game during the even night, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler

.

You cannot be protected in any way.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Doctor" role will lose the "Doctor" status.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof Vigilante-Enabler

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Vigilante" role will lose the "Vigilante" status.
Once per game, you will be protected from a single kill attempt on you.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

.

Once per game during the night, you may target a player to kill while bypassing all protection attempts on the target.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

[northsidegal]

for macho, i would rephrase "cannot be protected in any way" to "actions targeting you which would prevent your death will fail" or something similar which gets across the idea that it's only roles that target the macho person which fail and not, say, someone roleblocking a vigilante shooting the macho person. not a big deal, but still.

for the record i meant that the 1SBP would be on the strongman but this is fine too.

for the strongman role PM, you should add "bypassing all protection attempts on the target and roleblocking attempts on yourself".

apart from that it seemed fine, i just need the result PMs (i.e. for the cops "X is town", "X is scum", "No result")

[GuyInFreezer]

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special power.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Combined Doctor Vigilante

.

During the night, you may target a player to shoot and protect from all kill attempts.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho-Enabler

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Macho" modifier will lose the "Macho" status.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Macho Day 4 Innocent Child

.

Any actions targeting you which would prevent your death will fail.
You will automatically be announced as mod-confirmed town at the beginning of Day 4.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town Night 2 Cop

.

During Night 2, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Town 1-shot Even-Night Cop

.

Once per game during the even night, you may investigate a player to see if they are Town or Mafia.

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia Macho Doctor-Enabler

.

Any actions targeting you which would prevent your death will fail.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Doctor" role will lose the "Doctor" status.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof Vigilante-Enabler

.

When you are dead, all potential roles in the game with "Vigilante" role will lose the "Vigilante" status.
Once per game, you will be protected from a single kill attempt on you.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Mini Normal XXXX

You are a

Mafia 1-shot Strongman

.

Once per game during the night, you may target a player to kill while bypassing all protection attempts on the target and roleblocking attempts on yourself.

You win when you control half of the alive players or cannot be prevented to reach the condition.

Cop:
X is aligned with

Town

X is aligned with

Mafia

You have received no result

[northsidegal]

/pass