Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

[Zachstralkita]

I have consumed no less than 14 Tide pods so that we may vanquish evil. I can smell your fear.

VOTE: jjh

[Zachstralkita]

It's just too much rhetoric here for me I think. Yes only 3 posts. Idc, feels like you're compensating for something.

[Zachstralkita]

That was a "this is a serious vote" post back there. Wagon pls

Damn jjh u good bro? I feel like you need a Newport 10 minutes of guided meditation and some warm milk cause u fuckin up rn

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: BOONSKIES

RC IS 100% CERTAIN HE IS SCUM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM LYNCH HIM TY

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: jjh

My previous post was joking tho
But personally the Boonskiies wagon is good, not til Day 2 tho

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE:

[Zachstralkita]

Grrrrrrrrrrr

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: jjh

My previous post was joking tho
But personally the Boonskiies wagon is good, not til Day 2 tho

Tbh I'd rather Lynch noon today. I think a better chance hes scum independently of squidkid

I believe u also have a similarly high chance of flipping scum

[Zachstralkita]

Hi hebichan are you mafia

@Zach - If I had a stone, a magical stone...than could give anyone here the opportunity to power up to make them become a super saiyan, who’s hands would you have me give this stone to and rely on them to save us from sure destruction? This is all metaphorical of course.

I should speedlynch u for not knowing the answer
U only have one savior

I have a fun role, don’t lynch me ever. I miss the Zach that had memorial services of me every day phase when we were scum together and I got killed night 1.

Lmao that was an auto win in every sense of the word and I lost it because I picked memes over bussing. Every day I amaze myself by the new lows I reach.


I had some good ass memes tho.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach might not be town, but I don’t really have anything to go off of to further this at the moment. :shrug:

Of... of course you don't. Not until you fabricate a case lol

Also, hi zach, I'm town. HBU?

I am clearly on the side of righteousness!

[Zachstralkita]

Holding off on the jjh lynch for ? reason
Jjh please start towning

Later~
I have a few other lynchables too

[Zachstralkita]

That exchange was weird.

jjh feels too fast to not have scum on it be it bus or just a vote. :/

Early votes don't mean anything.
VOTE: Espeonage

Uh They do when we almost got jjh flashlynched in the first 3 pages


Hey Espeonage
Hi

[Zachstralkita]

Gerry let me hear those bars. I want some fire.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: momo

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: momo

And another change ... stop it ... read the post ... I been scum hunting ... trying to learn how to play from a50

Uhh stop connecting lines where they don't belong.

VOTE: hiplop because he is non comittall... proposing semi-new ideas...and generally scummy

I do like this vote

[Zachstralkita]

Gerry let me hear those bars. I want some fire.

Fairy tale, someones reads are very frail.
The scary trail of bad posts that leaves Gerry pale are from a Cherry Male.
His name is boon. Is your read on him as high as a balloon?
As stormy as a typhoon?
Or is this goon as red as a butt of a baboon?

HEATTTTT


For the boon thing, we need to like get together sit down and have a coffee if we're going to scumread him it has to be at a point where we actually lynch him other wise It will just be 9000 posts of scum boon finessing his way out of a wagon

[Zachstralkita]

For the boon thing, we need to like get together sit down and have a coffee if we're going to scumread him it has to be at a point where we actually lynch him other wise It will just be 9000 posts of scum boon finessing his way out of a wagon

I concur.
Right now the jjh lynch is something I prefer.

I’m a solid Day 3 lynch. I’d be happy to get coffee with you guys, I’ll buy you pastries. We can talk about dealing with me around then, and what will work best for everyone.

Day 3 lmao we going be dead

[Zachstralkita]

sheep why do you townread jjh

[Zachstralkita]

Lmfao

[Zachstralkita]

So what's been bothering me about momo's posts is all the god damn ellipses EVERYWHERE
Like he has a fatal injury and is doing a monologue LMAO



YO if JJH flips scum I'm getting all that credit boi

[Zachstralkita]

My team wants me to tell people voting me to read like, any one of my games

I've played with u before and I've scum mislynched your obv town ass before and you look like uncharacteristically scummy here lol, that's the thing
Also tell your team I said

hi <3

fuck you

VOTE: Fenchurch

Because I think that was a bs read.

I state very often that i am a late game town powerhouse, and I personally feel I am a stronger townie than scum player, my scum games have just been more showcased as of late because I’ve been practicing my crazier gambits and really going for it.

My teammates are all strong scum players, and I can link their games where they have dominated as scum.

Tchill even successfully pulled a fake miller claim gambit out recently. To say that I am the obvious scum choice on my team is absolutely ridiculous in multiple senses due to if I’m the obvious choice to play scum, how is that good scum play to show that, and everyone on my team is competent enough to not just confidently play scum, but be the scum mastermind of their team.

The fact that you then choose to vote JJH over me is laughable. Fen’s keeping me on the table because he sees Gerry and Zach, and even sleepy creeping up on me.

I don't like uh, the merit of that read. I feel like she should be scumreading you for like the actual scummy shit that you're doing and not that.

[Zachstralkita]

The level of LAMIST is literally blowing me away

[Zachstralkita]

The level of LAMIST is literally blowing me away

Because that’s how town I am. I mean, look at me.

I’m not even worried because I can coast this game off of my eventual conf town.

Sir please desist

I’m a little up there right now. Maybe I’m hallucinating, but I’m seeing in bright red wording a thing from the future...what is it?

Oh, it’s the names of Gerry, Sheep, and Fenchurch.

Ur actually serious avout this? LOL






Also a happy medium we can all reach is lynching sleepycrew
Kill all modes

[Zachstralkita]

I want to be in a town bloc. Let’s surpass a normal super saiyan together.

Let’s go super saiyan blue. Get the five of us together, and we’ll raise each of us to a Super saiyan god.

Your town bloc application is pending and will be processed in 1-3 business days.
Hebi, why do you townread me?

[Zachstralkita]

Is it the Tide pods?

[Zachstralkita]

hebi i kinda want to lymch jjh over sheep
but sheep's iso is very lackluster

[Zachstralkita]

See, I have bad feelings about Hiplop because I know for a fact that Cheetory6 would be able to correctly place me as town and would point this out seeing as I was and kinda still am a major point of contention

It feels sort of odd that this is the only opinion you have of him, you mention nothing of his play in your ISO


Am I tunneled or am I tunneled? Even if I'm wrong it feels so right

[Zachstralkita]

i didnt ask them for help; they dont trust me to read anyone correctly lol

I relate to this man...y'all have heard of me...prob top 10 worst players on site that have been here longer than 3 months...

top 10 worst players on site that have been here longer than 3 months...

y'all have heard of me

[Zachstralkita]

townbloc lieutenant hebichan, would you veto a hiplop wagon?

[Zachstralkita]

green fish

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: hiplop


jjh feels like the shiny scum lynch that is clearly too good to be true
Even though
It's so appealing
Boonskiies execution is scheduled for tomorrow

So I propose hiplop and Espeonage counter wagons.

[Zachstralkita]

hey sheep you seem a little excited to be calling me scum there sport lmao

all of jjhs posts are almost scumclaims to me but that can't be right so i'm looking to lynch off of thwre and not boonskiies becauae not enough people would put the effort in and I don't want a 409 page Day 1.

if push comes to shove i would push jjh in a volcano belive me

[Zachstralkita]

please don't hurt me

[Zachstralkita]

If I had to describe Espeonage's Iso in one word it would be :/

As for hiplop I think he's scum but it has to do more with subtle things and not for like say anything mentioned in momo's post

[Zachstralkita]

are you sure this is what you wanted it to be

i messed up

Lmfao

UNVOTE:

[Zachstralkita]

Thor isn't a good vote he appears to be afk anyway



Omg you're so boring. The post restriction sucks and it's inherently scummy but you can clearly tell what the frogs mean by what they're doing.

[Zachstralkita]

gerry are you town bro
I'm really lacking in the town bloc area sorry pals

[Zachstralkita]

Listen momo I really need you to explain the "..." in every post cause it's hurting me
Are you doing this on purpose? I don't know if you did that in Everhope

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Sheep

Yea I got you now uou flintstone gummy bear vitamin eating motherfucker

[Zachstralkita]

Don't doubt cast me you know how really lowkey scummy your over reaching lamist playstyle is boon lol
Btw Im conf town dont lynch me

gerry are you town bro

Are you?
A lynch on JJH is something we shoiuld see through.

Are Sea believes the man is town

[Zachstralkita]

U FORGOT YOUR ROLE AND THOUGHT U WERE SCUM YOU DIDNT SR ME

[Zachstralkita]

Zach is posting a lot and seems easygoing, but if I look at the content it's only a few votes and scumreads without any reasoning to back it up, with more filler than substance.
It gives me an impression that he's slinging mud to see what might stick.

On who and what?

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Zach

[Zachstralkita]

For what reason am I scumread
Is it because I don't like present a bunch of posturing as content lol

[Zachstralkita]

Unvote hiplop cause no traction when I checked the vc and I thoughte he did some town shit
Vote sheep because maybe scum lol but i dont think that read is good
Was going to unvote but really dont know where to go. Apprehensive about voting jjh, want other option

I agree with dav about you

it's a very broad and not difficult statement to make about my play so needs to be more concrete
rather it needs to actually be indicative of me being mafia via my actions to mean something

[Zachstralkita]

subtle stuff is tone and the fact that i think he didn't really scumread jjh
not town shit that i saw, town shit that i assumed happeneed because iirc there were votes on him already and then there weren't

What about Thor? His opening is trash tier.

There's literally nothing wrong with it

Still not saying what hiplop's subtle scum stuff was and now not what his town shit was :/
You could vote Espe :/

Dont want to spend time voting a vla

Want to 1v1? Ill end u

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: SleepyKrew

fuck all the puke mods
tell ur team they NEX

[Zachstralkita]

Also no bullshit I've never puked dark green before. Are thhere people who do?

[Zachstralkita]

And another change ... stop it ... read the post ... I been scum hunting ...

[Zachstralkita]

I have nothing to say about most of the one liners in this ISO. I just think it's sort of safe noncommittal play as a whole and there's some exaggeration.

[quote="In post 393,

174....esp's statement was valid and reasonable...analyzing the wagon...scumreading him because he hit a little too close to home...omgus mentality that I could see in scum

Wait, what?

OMGUS...before he said anything about me?

So uh, guys, I was going to spoiler this all but this is pretty big. This guy is saying I'm OMGUSSING for....what exactly? And Espeonage likes this post?

He later says I have an OMGUS attitude. Sure sounds like this was a planned attack rather than one based on reasoning. Espe hadn't mentioned me yet.

VOTE: espe

extra vote this. No way town-espe lets that shit slide, ez pz

Is Espe scum for not identifying a semantic mistake or liking a bad post?
What's your momo read?

To further the Zach case ... he seems too concerned about wagon traction.

This is where the ????? starts lol
Look guys just tell me if you're going to kill me I will go out gallantly wagoning Boonskiies to the death
Sleepy Crew u kno that bum ass read does not make semse tho sir

Do you have a specific reason to vote me over jjh?

[Zachstralkita]

Free my guy fro99er

[Zachstralkita]

Nvm that ... Zach is the best wagon ... his vote changes ... his dependednce on the approval of others...his urge to push boon...it’s like he knows boon will catch him ... boon where r u

And as for the ... that’s how I send emails to ... it’s just how i type

Guys vote Zach

HURT: Zach

Pls ... Zach doesn’t play like this

What do I play like fam
I have faith in justice. The town bloc will save me

Btw almost50 on your team
Has that man read any of your posts LOL he just looking the other way on this one?

[Zachstralkita]

Bro that did not answer the question momo
Any of them

...Also Based RC-sama says u guys are dummies if you lynch me because I'm the last person on the team that he would want having a scum slot

[Zachstralkita]

...Also Based RC-sama says u guys are dummies if you lynch me because I'm the last person on the team that he would want having a scum slot

Why is that?

LMAO He said he wasn't expecting to be questioned about that but don't lynch me I'm town
Congrats ur tied with 3 other people for worst vote on me

[Zachstralkita]

The logic you've been throwing around overall is pretty bad man like almost horrendous
Not a lot of stuff is Ai at all


This guy said I scumread boon cause I was afraid of him catching me lol

[Zachstralkita]

if u wanna policy me that's cool but don't like pretend I'm scum lol
Sleepkrew might actually be mafia

[Zachstralkita]

O...k? I wasn't asserting that lol

Fenchurch what games of mine did you read
I sold my soul like 40 minutes ago so like I guarantee nothing you saw was indicative unfortunately

[Zachstralkita]

have you ever voted someone for more than a few hours

nah....maybe i have too high expectations of activity...but I'm always gone...gets boring keeping your vote with nothing happening

I love the zach wagon...he's responding to pressure but he's being coached by scum RC...the name throwing, the push on boon, the vote flopping the attitude, don't like it at all

Also don't like how he hasn't really touched on dave

You hitting some heavy duty crack my gee
I like it

Yo hebi can you save your boy ? They'rw trying to KILL ME

Pedit oh word... THATS what we doing ?

AGAIN ;-;

[Zachstralkita]

Why are you guys letting SleepyKrew push this wagon. Even he don't know what he doing LMAOO
Hebi,, the thing about betrayal is it never comes from your enemies

[Zachstralkita]

am I scum

I want to lynch Fenchurch or you.

Jjh is like Pontius Pilate watching me die. Yo buddy, get me a line to Transcend.
I'm trusting my teammate's Jjh reads over my own

VOTE: Fen

[Zachstralkita]

261
321

you make fun of boon for scumreading fenchurch

fenchurch starts scumreading you

I call you out for a lack of original wagons/content

Bam...a fenchurch wagon occurs

I expect a response to this post from everyone voting zach. ZACH: Do not respond to this post until others have had a chance

So I ask y'all again...why is your fucking vote on zach

261 - i literally do not do what you are describing at all if you would just read the post. what?

321 - i make fun of boon because of the "team" he called lol. the whole long winded theatrical lamist innocuous bullshit style he does is drawn out. it's like. so transparent it's not. the whole thing is a bluff. he's probably scum but you guys eat that stuff up and give it towncred so there's nothing I can really do here



like your narrative sucks so much i don't think i'm going to credit it
gerry, can you be more proactive in helping me dispel this bullshit?

Is Espe scum for not identifying a semantic mistake or liking a bad post?

neither, and this argument is in extremely poor taste.

I asked cause it was unclear. That post looked like you were scumreading momo too. But go on.

yeah, zach

His last few posts were bad indeed.
Why is he letting his teammates control his read?
In a game he was chosen to lead.

Don't encourage him...
Jjh's entrance was so awful I wanted to instantly burn him and he'd been my main scumread for a major part of the game. I left the wagon because I didn't want to mislynch because I didn't have that much confidence in my read over people who are better than me. He's still not doing shit, but now there's people doing worse shit so.

[Zachstralkita]

The merit of [Fenchurch]'s read, not Boon's.

[Zachstralkita]

gerry, can you be more proactive in helping me dispel this bullshit?

This is quite weird, why choose me?
Your read on me is something I don't see.

Uh you talking in rhymes and you're not spewing dumb logic around or being a scumfuck. What more could I really ask for.

If zach had his read changed, that would be fine

INSTEAD, he pretended he had the unmentioned read all along, which is clearly false

reading comprehension. you read the post incorrectly. what the fuck?

[Zachstralkita]

I wasn't pretending to scumread you
Fenchurch is more likely to flip scum here and her content is worse

[Zachstralkita]

i don't believe sk is engaging me without trying to be disingenuous and momo might have had too much paint thinner this evening
I don't see how you can say I tried to lynch you Sleepy, I voted you once and didn't add substance to it. That's not a push.

I wasn't pretending to scumread you
Fenchurch is more likely to flip scum here and her content is worse

Fenchurch has bad content...are you joking me...from an unbiased perspective, fen's posts are very town

you only think fen is scummy because he voted you

Fenchurch knows how to write posts yes, that doesn't make her town
Her vote on me sucked so...? The latter is still fine by me

[Zachstralkita]

I don't see that much of a parallel here Boon.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't see that much of a parallel here Boon.

Okay, then you’re scum?

Lol

[Zachstralkita]

Uhh Boonskiies I defended you that game hard. Didn't I? I spite voted you at one point cause you and I were CWs but then I voted Creature. ? Was there more

[Zachstralkita]

Replying to Gerry’s thing, I posted that I didn’t scum read Fenchurch really anymore, so you posting that is bad. I am coming back around to scum reading Fenchurch.

You know what, I think I’m just right this game.

Gerry, Fenchurch, Sheep team. Please follow my reads when I die tonight.

No one's going to kill you. All you're doing is posturing. Why don't you join me on Fenchurch?

[Zachstralkita]

Your avatar terrifies me Katsuki

@Everyone literally iso me momo and sleepykrew. The latter two are positing completely different shit from what I've actually been doing.

[Zachstralkita]

♫ THEY KNOWWWWW I'MMMMM ONN TONIGHT, MY HIPS DON'T LIE AND IM STARTING TO FEEL IT's RIGHTFTF ♫

[Zachstralkita]

Pretty please unvote me guys! Let me lead the lynch. Let ME lead the lynch. You are being FINESSED capital motherfuciing F

Look at my exclamation points! No one's pointing out how the situation is being manipulated to ignore all reason!

momo i don't know why you're so confident in your read or your logic(?) but if I were actually scum there's a good chance I'd have my hand so far up your ass I'd be able to remove your tonsils

[Zachstralkita]

and like it would help i hope since no one in this game actually knows my meta well

Postie-sama says you are town

[Zachstralkita]

To add context, zach has been on jj, hiplop, and sheep wagon.

His votes switched as soon as the immediate attraction failed.

He has also never committed to a push of his own, just what his teammates (and more likely scum!buddies telling him to say it was his teammates) are doing.

I almost killed jjh by myself and I let him go cause I'm the only one on my team who had scumread him. Anyone can look at my posts wrt the latter two slots and see the case isn't really what you're describing unless you make it that way.

[Zachstralkita]

Uhh Boonskiies I defended you that game hard. Didn't I? I spite voted you at one point cause you and I were CWs but then I voted Creature. ? Was there more

It went back and forth. I wasn’t in the game too long, maybe I’m wrong with how it was, but I remember death pushing you, then turning around on you. I think we’ve always been the same alignment in games.

I'm pretty sure I ended up having you pegged as a mislynch and I consistently was pushing Creature. I only voted you and I even voted me cause town was being dumb. That DrumBeats tunnel I had almost ruined us but yeah. I had 2/3 that game sort of.............................................................................

[Zachstralkita]

and like it would help i hope since no one in this game actually knows my meta well

Postie-sama says you are town

Instead of getting coached by your teammates and/or your scumbuddies, post your own goddamn thoughts

I was asked to deliver this read
Also you do know I am running a wagon right

@Fenchurch those games are awful
Ur vote is lazy why are you voting me >>>>>>> bc ur scum?

[Zachstralkita]

I post my own thoughts a lot people just choose to doubtcast everything I do because I'm a mislynch target.

Jjh is like Pontius Pilate watching me die.

Quoting this again because it's fucking hilarious that Zachstral compared himself to Jesus

Revere me, my child. Hail the Morning Star.

[Zachstralkita]

@jjh Katyusha can't read me bih, she's just hype I was caught lacking one time

Zach - okay, but why have I

said

that I’m voting you?

My play is the lazy play that's more likely to come from scum

[Zachstralkita]

Fenchurch did you see the meme I made in Voltron lmfao

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, I feel bad for your buddies, getting stuck with obv!scum like you

If only, if only, the woodpecker sighs,
The bark on the trees were as soft as the skies

[Zachstralkita]

Yikes. I'd like to think scum me would do the moderately intelligent option and at least attempt to convince the townies
Hiplop vote didn't mean a lott tho and he may still be scum

Sooner we unvote me the better guys

I mean, I could make like case type cases on my scumreads, but no one engages me on logic that I present they just like take bits of it and then say this what I did, this is what I would do, this is how town play, this is how scum play. That's dumb as fuck.


I have plenty of not-static not filler engagable information that's my own thoughts, contrary to popular belief.

So, why do you think my vote on you makes me scum?

Uh it's really surface level. Like you say you wish I'd scumhunt but did you

really

scumhunt lol. No.

I didn't quote your paragraph but it's part of what really doesn't make sense. I didn't cover anything up. I didn't try? If I did you .. it would be covered? People (like momo) posit that I'm competent enough to play scum and manipulate people but not competent enough to post without scumclaiming, or not able to play without being coached.

The disconnect utterly doesn't make sense. Like uh. The ideas clearly conflict. At all but it's still being passed for acceptable play

Am I awful or am I okay scum? If the latter what explanation for my very suboptimal actions makes sense? This is not WIFOM. It's a question everyone should be able to answer.

Is momo on crack, scum on crack, or is he the best mafia player ever? If the latter, why is his logic so utterly horrendous? Why can't he engage me without saying something false at least once? (that one momo post where he talked about undertones. Lmao. I love you momo)

As in, what he's saying and what happened are two different things but this doesn't get pointed out, uh, ever. Is this because everyone knows? But you're condoning it? W-what soRT OF SICK SHIT IS THIS?

Why do people townread SleepyKrew? Is it because he has the tone of a graphing calculator? He be lying too it's just that no one cares any more LOL the bar has already been set

What is davesaz doing? I remember a Miller claim then I remember getting upset over frog memes. Neither of those things are particulary useful. (Are you voting me for my playstyle? It's fine if so.)

Find out next time on Dragon Ball Alisae.

Didn't need to talk to Trans because I TR you, and Eddie and Giga TR you as of some earlier point in the game too. You're probably town.

I don- what? I don't care about your read.
I'm conducting a seance and I need his blood by the full moon so the spirit of Transcend can save me.
Just like a little bit? Or part of his tail.

Also while it's happening you need to play this.

[Zachstralkita]

Yikes. I'd like to think scum me would do the moderately intelligent option and at least attempt to convince the townies
Hiplop vote didn't mean a lott tho and he may still be scum

I don't follow the second part of this sentence (the hiplop vote didn't mean a lot but he may still be scum - surely these things don't go together?),

Like I acknowledge that I OMGUS a lot but that doesn't mean what he's doing is really good (It doesn't even mean OMGUS is bad) and also I completely doubt he really has me and espeonage as scum lol so I would vote there again. I definitely don't believe he's that confident in those reads because there's not enough substance behind them for them to be real. Espeonage's ISO isn't that great at all but having Zach/Espe is just fake probably.

Hiplop basically assents to SleepyKrew's shitty description of my play, earlier in the game he calls out Espeonage for liking momo's post describing his which I think is a similar scenario. I think this is worth noting.

Why would I expect scum-you to be more intelligent than town-you?

To play scum you just have to make stuff up. That is really easy. To play town you have to actually be competent................ duh that's why I suck.

As in, what he's saying and what happened are two different things but this doesn't get pointed out, uh, ever. Is this because everyone knows? But you're condoning it?

What is davesaz doing? I remember a Miller claim then I remember getting upset over frog memes. Neither of those things are particulary useful.

No, I don't think momo's accusations make sense, but I'm trying to focus on things that are actually scummy, and as far as I know momo posts like that regardless of alignment. So I'm not going to waste time and threadspace arguing with him when it doesn't matter.

The thing is it does matter, it kind of matters a lot. When he's driving a mislynch that you're also on so he can't actually be a null-read to you. He's not posting in abstracts so his style doesn't matter at all, he's clearly pushing me but it's a bad push by all quantifiable standards. The thing here is it's definitely something you should care about so this really sucks. It's like you're trying to say that his posts have been NAI. That completely dances around this whole issue.

I could make like case type cases on my scumreads, but no one engages me on logic

Please do this. I will engage you.

I think I'd like to lynch you.

I didn't cover anything up. I didn't try? If I did you .. it would be covered?

Okay, covered it up is the wrong phrase maybe.

What I see is two things:
a) you unvoted hiplop for "acting more town", even though you didn't actually see him acting town. This says that you don't actually care whether your vote is on scum or not, you just care about who other people are voting. Not caring about whether your vote is on scum or not is a scumtell, in my opinion.

It doesn't matter if you know who scum are, it matters if you can lynch them. I know how much influence I don't have so I don't go for things if I don't have people following me. It's actually really arbitrary to continue arguing about some shit that doesn't really mean a lot that happened earlier in the game so I'm just gonna say I don't give a fuck. My current stance on hiplop is above.

It's not as if I cared about who other people were voting, I cared about the likelihood of lynches I want and things I assume. I don't even remember what happened at that point in the game now, so it's why I don't really care to speak about it.

b) when first questioned, you implied your unvote was based on an opinion hiplop's alignment (which makes it look like you're trying to read people), when in fact it was based purely on other player's votes.

Based on their votes not being there, yeah? I don't feel like this line of questioning is particularly indicative.

Why do people townread SleepyKrew? Is it because he has the tone of a graphing calculator? He be lying too it's just that no one cares any more LOL the bar has already been set

I think Sleepy's actions have all made sense and been relevant and felt town

logic is.. presentable i guess(well this is really relative)

he posts as if there's an implied thought process behind his stuff but for most of his push on me he hasn't really engaged me and now apparently he either genuinely reads me as scum for play based actions which is laughable or he is scum or he doesn't care about me being lynched and he's town. the latter two to me are far more likely scenarios

because in a game like this it would be easy to get blinded by someone just being competent and sensible.

well this is true of any game

he looks townie enough because it doesn't really seem like he's afraid of anything or has an agenda
even as he's mislynching me it's very casual, it looks really good

What did Sleepy lie about?

btw if people missed it,

zach tried to get a wagon going on me,

nothing happened, so he stopped pretending to scumread me and is trying on fen now
also I think he's engaging with momo as a smokescreen

575 - " u want to 1v1"

578- where i vote him

i didn't really try to get a wagon on him because i didn't offer a case or anything serious just my gut feels

saying i pretended to scumread people is just a lie

the last sentence literally means nothing at all. it's awful

Zach is posting a lot and seems easygoing, but if I look at the content it's only a few votes and scumreads without any reasoning to back it up, with more filler than substance.
It gives me an impression that he's slinging mud to see what might stick.

interesting...

I like this.

That's a terrible post what the fuck. It's the most basic generalization you can make about anyone but especially me.
What the fuck.

Sheep's description of Fr099er's catch up sucks a lot because all of that shit he asserts as a towntell can be replicated. It's posturing. Just throwing that out there.



pedit have you read a single post from momo?

[Zachstralkita]

Transparency =/= Towniness...

I also think you're town but not as strong town for me as before. What Dave said was pretty interesting and got me to rethink. SKrew's thoughts on Dave in his spoilered post seemed to mirror mine (a bunch of meh from Dave and then a good post about you that made me think).

You're mafia if you think Dave's post was good or interesting.

[Zachstralkita]

Fenchurch's posting can basically be summarized as "Hey this is analysis!" But I don't think she's trying to find scum. I think she's trying to be town. That's just the impression I got.

[Zachstralkita]

No order but everyone below this line is who I'd be fine with lynching. Sleepy is better placed in the vig pool because there's way better wagons to push.
I think the post restriction is fake. Even if it isn't I wouldn't let the slot live.
Gerry's post restriction could be fake too but he's actually not being really bad.

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Fro99er
Fenchurch
Boonskiies
Katsuki
Hiplop
Thor
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Vig Pool:

momo
momo
momo
momo
momo

Actual vig pool:
jjh
momo
momo
momo
Any of my scum reads
dave (LMFAOOO)
Sleepy

gerry please join the Fenchurch wagon? Fro99er wagon may happen too if I develop my cult following.
jjh If you're scum I'm going to hate you so much. omg
Hebi, I request your assistance. You must take the leap of faith.

momo i don't know why you're so confident in your read or your logic(?) but if I were actually scum there's a good chance I'd have my hand so far up your ass I'd be able to remove your tonsils

I have tonsil issues btw

Oh I feel like a cunt I'm sorry

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, why is Fro99er in your lynchpool

Transparency =/= Towniness...

I also think you're town but not as strong town for me as before. What Dave said was pretty interesting and got me to rethink. SKrew's thoughts on Dave in his spoilered post seemed to mirror mine (a bunch of meh from Dave and then a good post about you that made me think).

You're mafia if you think Dave's post was good or interesting.

I just said it
Yes, I'm willing to lynch someone off of this.

tell giga to explain or shut the fuck up

PEdit: Oh, since the meta tell has been brought up, Giga explained it but doesn't want me to say what it is and apparently Zach is like a hundred thousand percent town so that's a thing

eh the bad thing about tells is that they can be manipulated if you know them

You're mafia if you think Dave's post was good or interesting.

it plays right to my paranoia. It made me think.

if you couldn't tell, which you clearly can't, I'm scum reading Dave, but his post at least made me think. It played to my paranoia on both him and you.

If I was scum I'd just sit here in my tunnel instead of letting Dave play to my paranoia flip flopping.

My scum and town games are 100% different. People think I'm good at scum but I fucking suck at scum. You caught me in HoH as scum.

You had me as hard town for some weird shit then that dave post came along and you were like "Ah WOW this is Interesting!" seemed so fake.

[Zachstralkita]

If U DOnt get on the mf Fenchurch wagon I swear

Also I'm not saying Sleepy's team should have a vested interest in reading this game but Bins Imploder and even Ep should know I'm not scum but that doesn't matter cause he's on some next level fuckery

[Zachstralkita]

Fro99er, join the wagon I'm on.

[Zachstralkita]

oh you switched to fen...I thought you were still on SKrew

You quoted when I switched to Fen.

[Zachstralkita]

oh you switched to fen...I thought you were still on SKrew

You quoted when I switched to Fen.

so I forgot

must make me scum

Join me friend.

[Zachstralkita]

You didn't really do what she's saying, no.

[Zachstralkita]

Open appeal to anyone who wants to help derail my wagon...

[Zachstralkita]

Jontius Pilot why are you being so difficult. YOU SHARE MY SCUM POOL BIH

[Zachstralkita]

the only way someone couldn't flip flop is if they already know everyone's alignments

the only way to know people's alignment is to be scum

the massive text cause i fell ignored

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY VOTE ZACH!!!!!!!

[Zachstralkita]

Fro99er is a hard townread rn, Katsuki is more town than a townlean but maybe not quite a hard townread and I want to actually communicate with him, and I don't know why you want to vig momo. I did just have to check your pools for that though.

I don't think I'm being difficult with you? I still TR you, have done for a while.

I mean who is going to vote Hiplop with you besides me ? LOL

[Zachstralkita]

I feel like reminding everyone that Hiplop exists with their current mindsets probably ought to do it

[Zachstralkita]

Uh you're full of shit dave. I've went into detail on that read.

[Zachstralkita]

Do you really want to be one of the guys who lynched Jesus the second time

Transcend forgive them, they know not what they do.

Uh you're full of shit dave. I've went into detail on that read.

In that post you said nothing.

I described how she's playing basically in one sentence. Last reads list was also pretty bad. I'm pretty sure I'll get to chain at least one lynch when you mislynch me so

[Zachstralkita]

Actually that whole post where I engaged directly with her is where I said nothing? Fuck off lol.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach is town and also possibly Jesus

says jj, his scum body, the second scummiest wagon in the game

Are you saying the wagons are SvS?

[Zachstralkita]

If I go into the read after I make the vote, that's not slinging mud or avoiding anything really.

[Zachstralkita]

Anything is obv town these days. Lol

[Zachstralkita]

Fro99er there's a simpler answer to 990.

[Zachstralkita]

Anything is obv town these days. Lol

Anyone can pass of as town when they are scum with minimal effort these days...lol -_-

You're telling me

[Zachstralkita]

im still here if you have actual stuff i should clear up but i dont have the time to start catching up rn

Unvote me you fuck

[Zachstralkita]

I have a cult. I'm sure there are several projected benefits.

[Zachstralkita]

well then get him to rephrase
anyone else? You initially said "my team" instead of just shea

they all think zach is scum

Keeltory7 has failed me again

[Zachstralkita]

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Fenchurch
Hiplop
Momo
Sleepy
Katsuki
Boonskiies
Thor

[Zachstralkita]

btw this is getting spammy af so I'm gonna dip on the conversation and work on my reread and/or zach post(s)

obviously I undipped and unfortunately I lost my motivation but fortunately my top two scumreads are still the top two wagons

espe is useless; everyone else is caught up
let's just lynch one of them and get to night so we can do shit and thor can rest his weary eyes
UNVOTE:
VOTE: jjh

^
Scum because not dumb? Or just dumb

[Zachstralkita]

but yeah like Zachstral is Jesus and Fenchurch on review is actually just as towny as she has seemed because I really do think she's doing the scumhuntting thing and properly too

[Zachstralkita]

Thor at what point did you arrive at metown?

[Zachstralkita]

The best part is how Sk acts like he's done anything besides push a mislynch today
Real tiring work lol

[Zachstralkita]

hebichan is striking me as off this game because I feel like she was a stronger presence as town. But I think she wasn't feeling well or smth?

[Zachstralkita]

don't get distracted by katsuki you maroons

yes, yes, sorry

lynch that scumfuck...what was is name again..zeke???...idk, I don't bother learning scum's names because rolling scum mean that you are a waste of thread space who I'll lynch anyway

Ooh I like it when you call me that :*

[Zachstralkita]

Zach is town and also possibly Jesus

says jj, his scum body, the second scummiest wagon in the game

Are you saying the wagons are SvS?

If you read my colorful posts

no I am not.

That was bait I posted to see if scum would jump on it. It was really the final nail in Zach'a coffin.

If

someone jumped on it, they would be scum and it would make me rethink my zach read. Nobody did. This

confirms

(to me) that one of zach or jj is scum.

Zach seems to be the most scummy.

That being said, I don't like there interactions with each other, and the see scummy to me.

You realize there can be two town counterwagons or multiple ones. Scum love to do that.

I don't even know what you're asserting here. What exactly does the middle part say?


If you don't like our interactions then you're pairing us together. -_- I almost killed jjh at the start of this game and I would have too but I already explained that. Us being scum together doesn't make sense.

[Zachstralkita]

katy says zach is town but won't say why

Katy admits they said too much last time they played so I would buy it for the moment and not go zach tbh if thats the case.

I'm giving a ~secret meta tell~ exactly 0 weight

Did you read the game? Bc it is the only time I have seen a universal townread get snapped out of a game by a vig who had one tell that they knew they couldn't push.

Like that was a scum win if katy was any other role.

Bro we lost cause I didn't have daychat, I'm garbage, and Dunn mostly lurked and I had no clue he was going to. Katy was super great that game but I was finessing her hard for a good chunk of the it until the tell appeared. Now that I know what the tell is I'm going to exploit the shit out of it.


Also no they would have 2/3'd us and PoE'd me very instantly even if she weren't a vig. I played that game very wrong.

That's not why Sleepy's read is bullshit, it's because he's not actually evaluating me at all. You and jjh are like focused on the tell and it rubs me the wrong way. Transcend should easily be able to see this is my town game lol. Jjh knows I'm town but I don't think he's actually trying to convince people.

Lol everyone mislynching me is lucky I'm like the least charismatic person alive.

@Boonskiies I know you're scum but you're probably going to roll tf out of them. So I'd like to request a Late Night with Boonskiies with pretty colors and my name in the town section please! Thanks for bussing Fenchurch I think.




@gerryoat Have you been deceiving me, my son?

[Zachstralkita]

1158 from Espe is bad.

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE, VOTE: ZACH

[Zachstralkita]

ahhhhhh

UNVOTE:

OH MY FUcking god

[Zachstralkita]

It basically boils down to "he isn't scumhunting"

"He isn't scumhunting" is probably the crux of most cases I've ever made

Scumhunting is the one thing that town have to do and scum have to fake. And then the reason why I'm feeling less strong on it, is that Zach kinda implied that he might not scumhunt that much as town either, at least not in any way that I would consider scumhunting.

I've been over it already, but I still think that one point in particular was a scummy action. If you see other players move votes off someone, do you automatically decide 'oh that player must be town'? Without having seen any evidence for it yourself - would you declare them to be seeming town? The fact that Zach was willing to shows that he actually doesn't care about figuring out who is town. Even if you find scumhunting hard, that doesn't seem a thought process town would have.

I also think his whole OMGUS section against Sleepy and then me, continually failed to give any reason why either of us is actually scum is pretty bad. Eventually he comes up with "I don't think she's trying to find scum." 10 pages later, still with no evidence to back it up.

I've talked about how shitty your momo read is and also you have like a lot of scumposts. The vote/unvote incident you're referring to is an arbitrary instance that you're trying to attach scum motivation to so your read can make sense. That's why some shit that happened on like page 3 is the strongest point of your "read" on me.

[Zachstralkita]

Scumhunting is easy to fake... really ADVANCED MAFIA scumhunting, that dumb logic-y shit that people lap up. It's just a matter of being able to construct townposts.

@dave when I get home I'll do that.

@Fro99er Uh you give a lot of people town passes for nothing but Sleepy is scum because he hasn't really tried to sort me he just acted like he did? And that works. But I don't really trust you.

[Zachstralkita]

hebichan you've wounded me so much.

[Zachstralkita]

Do you really want to be one of the guys who lynched Jesus the second time

Transcend forgive them, they know not what they do.

[Zachstralkita]

Don't L-1 me until I can get RC's reads. I know every time I name drop someone on my team momo makes it seem like I'm being coached, but my team hasn't been keeping up with this very well or at all past skims.

[Zachstralkita]

The fact that foeing is off in mafia games is possibly the dumbest use of the tool lol.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not gonna be a cunt, self hammer and gamethrow. There's like nine days left in this phase anyway.

[Zachstralkita]

Don't be a jackass man. People have other things to do besides read and play mafia. I'm not even at my house yet and RC hasn't read.
There's 8-9 days left. Since the other people on my team have also not said a lot I barely have anything atm.
"Stalling" given this situation isn't even remotely scummy. 1282 is one of the worst posts in the game.

So far Fire has said you're hardtown, but I don't really care for his read.
Key agrees that Fenchurch is scum and I'll probably case her at home.

[Zachstralkita]

Also seriously fuck yourself if you're town, I'm bottom 10 bracket on this site and what you're doing still amazes me.

[Zachstralkita]

Okay don't fuck yourself.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm sorry. I react impulsively.

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah I'm really a cunt and I'm a bad person. Sorry dude.
I don't have a time to give you at the moment and I wasn't planning on claiming anytime soon so either kill me or wait.

[Zachstralkita]

It's fine if I get hammered anyway. I don't wanna play

[Zachstralkita]

It's fine if I get hammered anyway. I don't wanna play

replace out or stop whining

Smd lol

[Zachstralkita]

This is all I've been given at present, RC hasn't read the game. Don't know if he will.

Postie

2. jjh927 - Town
8. Boonskiies - Scum (Said several times for emphasis)
14. sheepsaysmeep - Town

Keychain

1. Espeonage - Scum
2. jjh927 - Town
3. Hebichan - Town
6. Fenchurch - Scum
7. SleepyKrew - Null
8. Boonskiies - Null
15. momo - Town

Firebringer

1. Espeonage - Scum
2. jjh927 - Town
3. Hebichan - Scum (probably)
5. Fro99er - Null or Scum
6. Fenchurch - Town (PoE)
7. SleepyKrew - Town
8. Boonskiies- Scum (Hard)
9. Thor665 - Town
10. Katsuki - None
11. davesaz - Town
12. hiplop - Scum (thought: hiplop is pocketing)
13. gerryoat - Town (PoE)
14. sheepsaysmeep - Town
15. momo - Very town hard town lock town

(Espe, Boonskiies, Hebichan)

Zach

1. Espeonage - :/ lmao
2. jjh927 - I say vig it anyway cause if he's town easy mislynch cause the first half of his game was scum fuck. Least optimal vig though
3. Hebichan - I don't have a read on you. You're probably town but your votes on me are terrible. I literally asked you something and you voted me for shading you like that's not something I do.
5. Fro99er - Maybe town.
6. Fenchurch - Scum
7. SleepyKrew - Scum even with green pm
8. Boonskiies - Scum
9. Thor665 - Town
10. Katsuki - Scum, lynch or vig
11. davesaz - Town?
12. hiplop - Scum
13. gerryoat - Flip a coin
14. sheepsaysmeep - maybe vig this too. do you read your posts sometimes
15. momo - vig

RC has given impressions I guess I'll call them because he hasn't read. Hiplop and Katsuki as scum. Not sure if has momo or not.
I'd say immediately after you flip me then lynch in Boonskiies/Hiplop/Fen/Katsuki tomorrow. Here, this is the important line.

[Zachstralkita]

Rc says hiplop is scum because the way he talks is

his

vocal

pattern

there is
something
wrong
with'
it
it is fucking twrrible

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, Giga wants to know if she told you the tell already because she can't remember if she told you and if she did she's okay with you saying what it is

-_-

@hebichan Rc says he expected better of u


Rc says he'll read the game tomorrow but I don't think I'll be alive by then

@hiplop Fire says Thor is town for the one post he made about me
Because it's a towny post and he saw a similar one before

you think he's scum because of how he talks?
like tone reads are usually bad but this isnt even tone

I guess I'll answer this one for him but it's not his answer
Yeah, and that's not even outlandish in any fashion
Tone reading isn't even that out there
The way he talks to people is very ew

[Zachstralkita]

hiplop, RC say lynch me and he gon throw up in your tent

this is like momo's "... i hate you ... actually i like you..."

No it's not.

Hebi, why do you think Zach is scum?

His posts are more whiney and defensive than the game I played with him where he was a claimed miller and hes taking control less here than there. He was a lot more straight forward there.

I can't take control in a game where I don't have influence. Also I was literally a fucking claimed Miller, hence I wasn't scumread and there was no L-2 wagon on me from thin air. But I guess you know it makes sense to you.
I wasn't very straight forward in that game, I 180'd a lot. I had two good scum reads but I spend Day 1 defending scumrb because I thought scum would not play toxic.

zach
let's talk about what you think makes a good vig target
this doesnt even matter but i want to have this conversation

I find it sort of hard to believe you see the people I want to vig then have a hard time understanding why I want those people vigged.

[Zachstralkita]

Give me that.

[Zachstralkita]

I'd say immediately after you flip me then lynch in Boonskiies/Hiplop/Fen/Katsuki tomorrow.

I'll quote this from time to time

can you try to help me see why you think the way hip posts makes him scum

does he post like this as scum and not as town?
is it like a crafty way to post that makes him harder to read or some shit

I can't really articulate this at the moment
Fire says if you are not a good sheep there will be consequences and repercussions

also yes i do have trouble seeing why you have that vigpool in what world should obvtown!momo die

In the world where he shits out town lynches with the most incredible conviction. Do I need to add this up for you?

i dont believe fire read the game with that read.

I do. You're scum anyway?

[Zachstralkita]

Yes gerry I expect you to be dynamic and proactive and doing more things. Or at least stop my mislynch more.
But you've wanted to lynch Boonskiies since early so town yes.

[Zachstralkita]

also zach what do you think is scummy about momo's pushes
try to make me see it
because knowing momo the way he pushes them is pretty obviously towny to me

him being towny is great
it's what he does with it that isn't
If you want that in mid late or end game be my guest

[Zachstralkita]

also zach what do you think is scummy about momo's pushes
try to make me see it
because knowing momo the way he pushes them is pretty obviously towny to me

him being towny is great
it's what he does with it that isn't
If you want that in mid late or end game be my guest

so it's like a policy vig

Uh he has one hell of a fucking play style. If I played like that people would lynch me on page 3 and I wouldn't be able to say shit.
If you guys wanted to policy me you could have said so and I'd have rolled over and there would be like 40 less pages.

[Zachstralkita]

Vig shots are for shit like that.

[Zachstralkita]

yea so when zach gives me some reads

im looking for some that look fake, fabricated and unreal. Thor being townread would occupy that slot in my mind

pagetop: i will policy vig you for pagetopping

it shouldnt appear fabricated just because of who it is
i dont see why youre that confident a team of town cant townread thor

would you or anyone on your team reading this thread be like "i am confident in thor town"?

i could see null, i could see "maybe hes town but he needs to do more" etc. I just dont see a legitimate read of this game having thor as strong enough to be a straight up town read, sorry.

This is so scum lol

[Zachstralkita]

Which one of you is going to go up Sleepy's ass to locate his head

[Zachstralkita]

Rc would be coaching me as scum hiplop and you know it, he'd have read the game as scum

[Zachstralkita]

jjh stop soft defending scum

[Zachstralkita]

Boon/Hiplop/Fen/Katsuki


Dance around it if you want your suggestion that RC doesn't pay attention to a mescum game is ridiculous becausw he'd probably be trying to like control everything I do and I wouldn't like it. You saying what you do makes no logisitical sense 1540 is horrible logic.

The second part basically says "If you don't read this person like I do you're scum". Are you serious?

[Zachstralkita]

dave, quoting a shitty post every few pages doesn't make it any better. I do owe you a Fenchurch case though so I'll do that today.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: hiplop

Less rock

hiplop ISO:
Posts I don't mention are useless. (Doesn't mean they're not AI.)

First 10 or so posts mean nothing. No one gets towncred for voting jjh as either alignment (maybe besides me owo) because his entrance was so terrible.

Man this guy is fairly clearly scum right?

This is posturing. If he were, then you wouldn't have unvoted him 3 posts later.

VOTE: jjh

My previous post was joking tho
But personally the Boonskiies wagon is good, not til Day 2 tho

Tbh I'd rather Lynch noon today. I think a better chance hes scum independently of squidkid

Your vote would never have touched Boon today.

jjh feels too fast to not have scum on it be it bus or just a vote. :/

This post feels too fast to not have scum on it :/

To be fair, Espe's post was ass but both of these posts are. That's a newbscum post but Espeonage is nowhere close to new and he's not a dummy so if he said that it may have been genuine.

This does seem uncalled for on a page 1 vote.

:/

And this too

Why so :/

Somehow a repeated trend of espeonage doing nothing and just kinda throwing shade at things is evident?

VOTE: ezpe

Yeah, yeah I get it but it's overplayed. You're kind of padding the read so when you push it it looks like you have more conviction on it than you actually do. This has been your narrative, coasting on Espe read that you act like is paragon worthy. It seems plastic as fuck.

Momo's post is terrible gimme a hot second

Literally idc that it's about me the post just sucks sry man

Yeah momo's post was terrible. This is one of those "town response" things. That post definitely didn't need a fake response and a response such as this one sounds genuine.

174....esp's statement was valid and reasonable...analyzing the wagon...scumreading him because he hit a little too close to home...omgus mentality that I could see in scum

Wait, what?

OMGUS...before he said anything about me?

So uh, guys, I was going to spoiler this all but this is pretty big. This guy is saying I'm OMGUSSING for....what exactly? And Espeonage likes this post?

He later says I have an OMGUS attitude. Sure sounds like this was a planned attack rather than one based on reasoning. Espe hadn't mentioned me yet.

VOTE: espe

extra vote this. No way town-espe lets that shit slide, ez pz

I asked about this one cause it confuses me. He uses this shitty reach logic to justify The Espe read that should have already been solid based on some arbitrary metric (Town!Espe wouldn't like a bad/incorrect post? It's scummy for town to agree with bad reasoning or shitty logic? What the fuck are half of you doing then?)

literally no one is reading my espe case

this is bullshit

As outlined you barely had a case but I go over this
The read has to be cemented to seem believable..

literally no one is reading my espe case

this is bullshit

I'd be willing to read it, but am having trouble finding a "case". Please clarify.

:/

For once dave actually said something good.

Yup! How come you're townreading me?

honestly my entire team thinks youre scum but i told them i dont wanna lynch you bc we're friends again

also im behind other than this gonna catch up now

Given that this statement is true, your team is good enough to identify how fucky SleepyKrew is being, but the awful nonexistent progression of your read on me and also your statement later in the game that says your entire team scumreads me shows that this is either clearly a lie or your team is high? Granted, I don't know anyone on your team. I'm not really surprised that those people would think that they can read me I suppose. Radja has seen a half-assed scum game of mine, but that was probably my second worst scum game.

That was a serious request. What makes Espeonage scummy?

Ridiculous fence-sitting, throwing shade noncomittably, sitting on the sidelines hardcore and pretending to be useful

Is Thor ever this quiet? The only games I clearly remember he was active, but it has been a while.

No. And his one post is terrible.

What's your momo read?

Not sure. Probably garbotown

Is Espe scum for not identifying a semantic mistake or liking a bad post?

neither, and this argument is in extremely poor taste.

i think zach is scum, yea.

not a fan of fenchurhc either but im gonna sit on that read

Tossing out rando early reads without supporting them actually makes it look like you're developing reads.

btw if people missed it, zach tried to get a wagon going on me, nothing happened, so he stopped pretending to scumread me and is trying on fen now
also I think he's engaging with momo as a smokescreen

ya hes scum

They want to hold you accountable for mistakes in the past from you

that doesn't sound like a scumread

like, he usually worries about data input or something so therefore different than now therefore scum.

zach/espeonage, ezpz

So here's what Sleepy basically did and then you consented to, objectively:
Attempts to evaluate or question my behavior from what I see.
He doesn't like my response.
So past page 14 he acts like he has a guilty on me and his read is super solid. He doesn't directly engage my content, he just acts like his pretenses are solid and his shitty interpretations of the game are law. I say he acts like he has a guilty because he may genuinely believe that I'm going to flip scum, and if he's town he'll just act like a dumbass upon my flip.

What you agree to here is a really skewed interpretation of events. If you go to the interaction, I don't really seriously attempt to push SleepyKrew and no one in the game has really ever engaged this. No one said anything when I brought it up before, people just act like I don't say things.

hiplop...you said you scum read Zach...vote him!!!

I'd prefer espe, but I think they're prob buddies. I'll vote him tomorrow, don't want to.type vote tags rn

I'm pretty sure Espe and I could smoke your fuckin boots lol

but I really thought espe page 1 was town.

are you fucking kermitting me

It's not even a ludicrous thought because Espe's ISO was like, confirmed not great, but it also wasn't as awful as jjh entrance who you never seriously lynched.

well then get him to rephrase
anyone else? You initially said "my team" instead of just shea

they all think zach is scum, thor is scum,

shea thinks you have a hard time day one getting info on people and that you had trouble in fortnite b/c of it

I said before, I'm not super surprised but 4 of them don't know me and this is probably a lie anyway.

VOTE: Fenchurch


Hiplop, which is your preference of the 3 tied wagons

zach by a decent margin. I dont like the fen case, but i can see them being scum

To this point he hasn't once said a reason why I'm scum, he's just piggybacked off of other people's dumb shit.

hippooooooooooo why do you still not vote zach

i want espe to die

consider my vote on zach if it makes you happy

^ vote has been on Espe/Zach the whole game lol

yea i really dont know what to do with jjs. Hes like....the scummiest and towniest person all at once

Like third mention of JJH in your ISO? Never pushed him when he was a serious push before, but yeah. This is a sentiment I have anyway so I'm only calling it scummy because I scumread you here. You said it like a scum fuck though. You can have this one.

Hey buddy, why you scum reading me man? Can I help there?

do something other than sit on the sideline and throw mudd

Yucky pop-in from Espeonage, but your read on him is basically a glorified lurkerscum lynch that you've pushed as you having like, a really SOLID read which isn't close to true.

Yeah this ISO is terrible I'm not going through the rest of it. I addressed some of the later shit in my last post, but the logic he's been using as of late is absolutely horrendous and if you disagree with this then you don't deserve to win as town.

That's also one of a couple of stories explaining why I might go back to voting Hiplop, but why would scum stick to such shit tier reasoning for pushing Zach?

Uh it's not shit tier if it works and people buy into it.


Keep flip flopping on Sleepy but want to say scum because his team should know I'm town and if he thinks his read is actually that good he's going to be disappointed. That doesn't seem like great logic though but I'd expect implosion EP or Bins to attempt to save me.

@gerry, Tell Dunn and Maria and Chara and Yoshi I said hi.

Maybe later when I can write better you guys will see why Fenchurch's posting style really doesn't mean jack shit.

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hebichan, i don't know if you genuinely think I'm scum or you're scum or you're just fine with me dying because of the way I post, but I still want to work with you.

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Reminder that Katsuki is still hardscum.

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Your original post is even dumber if you consider that dumb. Literally any lynch is a realistic alternative with over a fucking week of Day 1 left.

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Man said game is solved looooool

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Can you use your emotion and produce some logic.

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Yes I know how to say the word fuck too. It doesn't make your arguments more convincing.
Uh fuck Espe, if my case is so shitty then engage it. People bitch at me for not producing content then they disregard what I do produce.

honestly

VOTE: espeonage
no town player in the history of ever would play like this.

Sleepy is going to say vote me again in 3 pages lol and we'll be back here.

follow up question

why would scum give a fuck about that more than town

frog is hilariously speaking on a high horse.

That's not a meaningful question to address... what he said doesn't mean a whole lot of anything.

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Scum Espe catches vig anyway or Katsuki. The like. Aggression that you have on this read lmao

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Espe's wagon doesn't exist. See last VC. I'm attacking your position on him. I'm not engaging with you on an Espeonage read because I don't have you as town.

espe is also committing bad mafia play 101 by literally never mentioning thinking zach is town? i just read his iso and he just kinda ignores the topic of zach???

this is fucking obvious scum partnering

We sort of did that last game I don't think we would do it again.

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You had the whole day to push that shit hard or engage me directly on what I produced if I was your scumread and you didn't

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"Espe is a competent player"

"Espe is obvious scum"


Both quotes from you

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I have no clue why other people can bitch and expect to live but I can't.

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Zach Lives Matter ;-;

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jjh dont you scumread hip? why vote someone hip doesnt think is town and ask him to join you?

Well, I think Thor is scum and have done for a while, and the way Hiplop seems to be confbiasing at Zach seems almost unfakeably real. Like, I'm not doubting for a second that Hiplop thinks Zach is scum here which is making me feel a lot better about Hiplop, but Zach is still town.


Zach is a townread and I'm not gonna let you lynch a townread for dumb reasons

That's also one of a couple of stories explaining why I might go back to voting Hiplop, but why would scum stick to such shit tier reasoning for pushing Zach?

Reconcile these two with your current stance?

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You posted right after that VC.

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Your eyes are pretty.

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I actually like 0 of your posts but I'm trusting!!! the townread on you.

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Pocket u lol. Im finna die

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Really Fro99er.

Those are 2016 games anyway.

Sleepy I said today I was gonna do Fenchurch's one later :/

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I have a post where I interact directly with her on parts of her reads and things. She didn't even engage me.

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Both are within the first 20 days of January 2017
I'm clearly going to play mafia different

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I have a post where I interact directly with her on parts of her reads and things. She didn't even engage me.

That does not tell anything about why you scumread her.

I have a case on my other scumread. Your premise that I don't explain shit no longer means anything.

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And actually it does if you read the .. nevermind.

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Espe and anyone makes sense if you have Espe scum, lol.

Sheep voting for a cookie is even worse imo.
Zach, even if you have adapted, the fact it took being almost lynched to make you show reasons still says a lot.

I have reformed. Please don't crucify me.

I feel like you should look at Large 205.

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Fro99er vote me Lmao

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If Espe is scum I'll bite the bullet but fuck if I'm voting there.

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Also it might be because I have hiplop as scum still

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do it anyway Fenchurch omit my quotes if u want ^^

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No. that's the dumbest shit Ive seen you say

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the people that are CERTAIN zach is town are faking their confidence right?

To paraphrase my teams voice chat

"Zach could be literally any alignment, he doesn't seem particularly scummy as much as he seems confused and lost."

He reads more as off his rocker than any particular alignment to me. If espe is scum, so is he. If not, I'm not so sure.

Second time you've said this. You've had me as scum for like the majority of the game. What am I confused and lost with as in what am I saying that's incorrect, what did I say that didn't happen. What did you think I lied about. If you're not going to say that stop saying shit like this to me.

"Espe is a competent player"

"Espe is obvious scum"


Both quotes from you

Like to bring up again, this is one of the least logically sound arguments I've ever seen get made in a mafia game.

I have no fucking idea if that comes from town or not?

That's an exaggeration. You have worse posts literally on the preceding page.

But that's a random sentence. It isn't even inside of my reasoning for you being scum. I know I say dumb shit. A lot of people do. This isn't anything remotely new. But I wasn't like stupid for 80% of this game, I was scum, but now I can be when it's convenient.

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Last sentence: Fypov

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Fen's probably town, lynch hip/Kats/Boon immediately proceeding this
Or if you want to flash Espe/hiplop that wouldn't be really dumb at all.


jjh is probably a mislynch by this point but lol if mafia I was on it. and I lost it

Hard mode: Keep momo alive
But I'm probably the only one here who would put him as scum so that's also a thing


Nothing from my team, I wasn't gonna ask and most of them aren't here and didn't read.

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that's not to say i don't think most of your other posts are shit but that one can lock you town, idc