Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

[davesaz]

Either result is possible. I believe my interpretation is more correct from a balance / game design point of view, based on age/experience/education.

[davesaz]

Why does that help town?

[davesaz]

Which appears to not have been helpful at all.

[davesaz]

Wow think my iso paged, that's a first.
Fro99er, your read on me and boon plz?

[davesaz]

Boon or hiplop scum. Could be both. We don't know if sheep was janitored or if the role was flipless. So could be two scum.

[davesaz]

Boon offering to be chopped is probably fake, scum trying to appear town.

[davesaz]

Gerry neighborized me to tower.
My role was 1-shot.
I'm town. Boon and/or hip scum.

[davesaz]

N2 obv.

[davesaz]

I was either roleblocked or sleepy has some ability protection, I'm in a neighborhood called the tower with someone.

N1 hebi, N2 me.

[davesaz]

Sheep was lynched d3.
I targeted sheep n2.

[davesaz]

my action was 1 shot

[davesaz]

That's cause hippy is scum.

[davesaz]

I'm gonna just close this browser tab and not open it again.
I need to RL live to tomorrow, not have a stoke watching this shit.

[davesaz]

MY INTERPRETATION IS: THE BLOCKING ACTION DOES NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

[davesaz]

So tempted to modkill my slot so you all can shove that up your asses.

[davesaz]

So is trolling people.
I'm gonna PM zoroaster to get your ass permabanned.

[davesaz]

You think I give a shit?

[davesaz]

@mod: replacement please. I won't have this bullshit.

[davesaz]

140/90. At least I probably won't die.

[davesaz]

Frogger, it’s a trap. Keep the paranoia.
I maaaay be settled enough in the morning to stay.
If the nightmares aren’t too bad.

[davesaz]

I was in it through the end of N3. Don't know if anyone else was put in it, if I'm still there, or if it's defunct.

[davesaz]

It becomes visible at the beginning of day, and disappears at beginning of next day.
Unfortunately having access removed means I don't know what (if anything) gerry might have posted about the last 4 hours or so of night.

[davesaz]

I'm willing to try to stay

Having access removed (it disappeared from bookmarks)

should

mean I'm no longer in it.
Having access show up when day starts

should

mean the chosen player is not there and therefore not under its powers until night is over.
If either of those things is false then I have serious doubts about the setup.

[davesaz]

Now that I'm not trying to compete with hyperposters on a mobile device (and not raging which matters as well).

From the NAR wiki page:

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

Gerry and I debated what his neighborize would be on this list, and whether his action was "neighborize and block" or "neighborize

then

block".
My assertion is that my redirect comes before neighborize. Redirect is ahead of both miscellaneous and recruit, so no matter which of those corresponds to neighborize it should go first.
I think it makes sense from a flavor, mechanics, and balance point of view for it to be neighborize then block.

Which returns us to, as long as I was not blocked by someone else, I still think my action succeeded and sheep targeted me, not fen.
This still does not clear fen, but it should return fen to the "doesn't necessarily have to be scum" pile.
With that in mind, if you consider either Fen or me to be likely (if not obv) town then we have a solution.
I don't think we need to know the tower disposition but I don't mind you asking. Just be aware that Alisae is most likely asleep and it will be a wait of several hours.
I'm in no hurry because I think that rational discussion will reveal that scum are in the people posting irrational arguments for scumspects who don't mechanically make sense.

[davesaz]

Why does town boon not push any cases first 3 days and act like he's mystified by the whole thing, and then suddenly come in D4 claiming that he's obvtown by meta?

Pedit: The NAR question comes into play because of the possible effect of Gerry's role on mine.

@MOD: Does the Rapunzel role block night actions that occur on the same night of neighbourising, or does it only block actions on future nights?

I did not ask this question yesterday because Gerry asked that the neighborhood and its effects not be revealed. It was important that scum not be able to block him if he wanted to use the tower as a scum detector.

[davesaz]

Not if hebi was unlovered by another action.

[davesaz]

Hippo did the thing where I'm now unblockable.

How do you know anything was done, and how do you know it was hiplop other than by believing his claim blindly?

There was quite a lot of discussion on whether your kill was on target or redirected. Comments?

[davesaz]

Actually, new angle to get my 3rd conftown

Boon/Fench- the neighbourhood between Fenchurch and Hebi. When Fench and Hebi were mod confirmed town to each other, what was the kind of phrasing? Was it something that was more of an alignment check, or did Alisae actually explicitly state that they were both town?

If it's posted in the thread by the mod then I'll believe it.
(Hint: you don't need another conftown )

Pedit: thanks, now what if that's a scum action to make themselves look conftown.
Hint: would scum more likely be worried about your shooting so far, or happy with your choices?

[davesaz]

People can say anything they like, like hey I'm confirmed town with joe, but if the mod doesn't say it then it isn't true.
You may trust them, that's your prerogative.
I don't. Nothing is ever confirmed until the mod says it publicly.

[davesaz]

Evidently Alisae is not in the timezone that I thought, or keeps different hours day to day.

[davesaz]

So sheep was town and they're both scum?

[davesaz]

What exactly is it you think they both say?

[davesaz]

What exactly is it you think they both say?

Better yet do you know where they say it.
At least you're willing to have an actual discussion and not throw insults.

[davesaz]

Why does town boon not push any cases first 3 days and act like he's mystified by the whole thing, and then suddenly come in D4 claiming that he's obvtown by meta?

Pedit: The NAR question comes into play because of the possible effect of Gerry's role on mine.

@MOD: Does the Rapunzel role block night actions that occur on the same night of neighbourising, or does it only block actions on future nights?

I did not ask this question yesterday because Gerry asked that the neighborhood and its effects not be revealed. It was important that scum not be able to block him if he wanted to use the tower as a scum detector.

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That doesn't follow NAR, but if you say so.

[davesaz]

That implies a guilty on Fen.
Sheep town, thought he had a guilty on Fen. His actions do not make sense as scum trying to frame Fen.
Scum railroaded him and may have janitored to keep the role from being revealed.

The're both scum. Game solved.
I don't know if I'll be able to play with hiplop again, but that's oog.

NAR is also an order of what to resolve first.
Redirect is supposed to resolve before neighborize in the absence of conflict.
Cop + kill, the cop goes through before the kill, you just never get the result.
A cop who sends his results to another player goes through, the other player gets the results, and then the kill happens.

[davesaz]

ebwop they're (boon and fen) both scum

[davesaz]

Fen is definitely scum.

[davesaz]

An expression of my certainty that I think something is true =/= mod confirmation.

[davesaz]

My team has an alternative plan.

1. Hiplop says he's town and willing to suicide. Prove it. I was against this because senseless death if town, but they think it's worth the cost because he looks scum otherwise.

2. Lynch Boonskiies. I've been saying he's scum. Katsuki said he was scum. Why? If sheep is town, Boon is scum by PoE. If sheep is scum, BOON IS STILL SCUM WITH SHEEP. We should sheep Katsuki. She made a good argument once she decided to talk. We think that Boon is by far the most likely member of his team to pick scum. We think he's played like scum no matter how obvtown he calls himself. No one has seriously tried to read him -- a few halfhearted attempts but not deep.

3. Assuming Hiplop is proven town, then if Boon is town, and the game continues, then sheep was scum and is probably scum with Fenchurch. If Boon is scum, and game continues, then sheep was town and has a guilty on Fenchurch.

[davesaz]

I really have to work.
If you want to wait and really case Boon I'd be on board with that.
I do have a scout meeting tonight so advance warning that my availability is limited.

Pedit: @hiplop: To look town and be manipulative. I don't know if my teammates are caught up on the strong-willed thing, will get their opinion on whether that changes their read.

[davesaz]

I said if I wasn’t roleblocked... and gave analysis of what the result meant either way.

How does scum sheep act like fen not getting an item is a guilty. That behavior is extremely important to me. He acted like a cop with a guilty. The rest is classic sheep.

Done fuck all is a summary of my teams boon case.

[davesaz]

Who you gonna lynch?

[davesaz]

Hmm, do you have to choose immediately or does game go on?
I could go ahead and elect but I don't want to get the thread locked when you don't want it to be.

Separately, as a survivor of bullying (40+ years ago and still fucked up somewhat) I do not approve certain kinds of memes. I get having fun but not if it hurts someone. That is all.

[davesaz]

Hiplop offered to suicide, but is that real? Is getting to odd numbers beneficial rn?

@hiplop, does your suicide end day? Or it keeps going? I don't know if we can get an answer from the mod, but...

@MOD: Does a hypothetical suicide role end the day, or the day keeps going?