Team Mafia 2018: Game 3 - Random GIFs Game Over

[Mina]

Yeah, 312 and 2938 are 100% consistent with each other even though each player chooses different reasoning to highlight. Obviously, these aren't made up.

[Mina]

I probably should have waited for Bins to respond before posting that, but the response probably would have been something generic like "both are in my suspect pool, and I just want to be extra sure there's a lynch!" anyway.

Keychain, summary on why RC thinks Bins is town?

[DeasVail]

No. Fuck you. This one isn't creative's game. If creature decides to throw in some input. I am happy to share it, but you will not force me to only talk about what creature says and thinks. Okay.

Now let me fucking scum hunt.

Also. What about mulch and sheep? Do they not matter.

Right now, I want to search for my own reads.

Hey, DeasVail. You're saying you haven't seen anything from UCV he couldn't do as scum? This post as well?

Also, just quoting these so it's easier for me to read them over and check for consistency:

Spoiler: Bunch of UCV/AW's team reads

mulch is 100% sure skirt skirt is scum. like. he is screaming at me

VOTE: skirt

mulch is 100% sure skirt skirt is scum. like. he is screaming at me

VOTE: skirt

ok the rest of my team also thinks he i scum for the most part.
like

mulch 100%
creature 99%
sheep 80%
me and quick dont know

ok


sheep says dino is meta town


mulch says to fuck off creature who is asleep right now because they live in Brazil. and have multiple other games to attend to

though team says he is townie. i slightly disagree. i have only played with him a few times, so

i could be wrong though

.

You completed a single town game with me. A geriatric. Micro. In which I replaced in after early-phase D1.

I don't know how you expect me to not be aggressive if you literally post and comment on other people while openly ignoring my questions.

What I'm asking is this: The thoughts that you said Creature had. Did they trickle in as the thread expanded? That is, WHEN did he give you those reads? Had he been reading the game as I requested of him BEFORE I had you ask him what he was thinking?

he had given them that day. i will have to ask what changes


why are you only caring about creatures reads?

I'm not asking you to have Creature read the thread literally this second.

I'm asking you when he has provided input in the past, and if he has been reading this thread.

I've twice requested specifically him to be reading this game.

) Elena is most likely to choose scum from her team 2) eddie succesfully pocketed someone 3) Mathdino's reads seem pretty good 4) We want eddie cane pushed but I'm not 99% 5) Keychain was scummy but then he thinks he must be misreading them 6) LLD is scummy 7) Early game called LLD, skirt skirt, keychain 8) bulba is town 9) almost50 is town cause playing like open 707 10) Bins is town 11) Dunkerdoodles feels town
all posted by creature



here

Hey Archwing, I'd like a paraphrase on all the notes creature has ever made about this game, with dates (no timestamps)

You're allowed to paraphrase things, just not quote, copy or paste

Not gonna let me ease into it, eh? fine.

k so, game started on 20th of Jan.
on 22nd creature wanted UCV to push LLD and skirt skirt.
early town reads on dunker bins and a50.
keychain looks bad, thus he makes the first scum team guess of {lld, skirt, keychain}
later (still 22nd) says must be reading keychain wrong.
keeps saying he wants eddie cane pushed.
thinks elena would most likely choose scum from her team
on 23rd, says skirt hasn't done enough for him to 180 flip read him
25th says {elena LLD transcend}
also thinks TBone doesn't pick scum and then lurk 'til lynched.
29th thinks bins being dino's top lynch is wtffff
thinks NSG and dino are the most likely people on your team to pick scum.
on the first of feb, thought about pushing chess for scum, then retracted and said stay on havingfitz.
6th of feb, thinks chess + CDB scum. keychain town, don't push the wagon.
A50's post 2053 has a solid case on chesskid scum.
and finally, CDB still looks bad.

Regarding the first post you quoted, I played with UCV in Open 699 (viewtopic.php?f=51&t=73781) and while he was probably fairly obvious scum there, he spouted a lot of AtE type stuff, so that sort of post is not something I see as incompatible with his scum play.

Regarding the team reads, I think that, especially early on, it’s reasonable to expect that a scum member’s team would be excited and keen on providing fake thoughts for their team member to use. I know that when I was scum in the last TM I specifically asked my team members to provide anything they were able to. And in the game I played with UCV he was super schemey in the scumchat, so it would make sense to me.

[Mina]

UCV's AtE here reminds me more of Radja flipping out over his case being ignored than LLD trying to make people bad about lynching her (which is more UCV's ATE in the scum game).

I don't want to fall into the trap of "UCV has a wildly different playstyle in this one game where he's scum, so he's town here!" but he's just a lot more natural here (his posts in the other game were a lot more theatrical and fake-helpful and full of exclamation marks, and Patrick agreed with me). And I know it's technically possible for team reads to be faked, but they feel organic. My only real doubt is that UCV's LLD thoughts sucked.

That game has definitely convinced me I should focus on chesskid's meta, though, because I have zero hope of catching you! :/ (Although you're warmer and fuzzier here.)

[Dunkerdoodles]

Dunker, who do you think is more likely to be scum, DeasVail or xyzzy? And why?

I have to confess, I've actually found DeasVail's content really town, although Patrick and I did agree with Dunker on finding the Archwing case a bit forced.

bins

[Dunkerdoodles]

but actually probably dv, cause i kinda scumread chess and that post i quoted earlier was really bad imo

[Dunkerdoodles]

but he could still be scum without xyzzy being scum

anyways we're probably lynching xyzzy anyways

Nope. Not interested in Xyzzy anymore. Dunker saying that he's not comfortable with Xyzzy as scum, then attacking those players who question the read, followed by "Well, that reason for scumreading DV that I said is not the reason I'm scumreading him, but he still

could be

scum whether Xyzzy flips scum or not. But Xyzzy is the lynch today. I'll just be over here off the wagon expressing interest in it though. See ya!". Yeah, this whole thing puts a sour taste in my mouth.

this is pretty bad

why does me doing this affect your read at all?

[Bins]

we have a day

and i’m not townreading Archwing
i would prefer Xyzzy (also thought it was L-2) but if the wagon isn’t moving i’m saying is flip arch

what’s the diff

[Bins]

i changed my mind tho i don’t want to sheep DV
sry

[Dunkerdoodles]

i'd rather xyzzy wayy over arch

[Bins]

yeah also cause if Xyzzy isn’t scum i’ve given up

[Dunkerdoodles]

intent on xyzzy

cause we have 1 day

[Archwing]

sorry guys. i've been pretty shitty this game. I'm trying to get into it but I can't seem to really invest myself in this. I'm really gonna get into this soon i promise.

I really do wanna flip xy though, regardless if I'm about to be the counter wagon.

[Dunkerdoodles]

rn i have me, arch, mina and keychain as locktown

anyone dispute these?

[Bins]

I can see Keychain and Mina locktown, not Arch. But still OK.

[Mina]

Dunkerdoodles, when did I become locktown?

I've been feeling good about Archwing being town after rereading the early game today. Aaaaaand I've been feeling like Bulbazak's paranoia around deadline is also very town!

And now I'm also feeling a lot better about Dunkerdoodles, so {xyzzy, DV, Bins} may actually be my pool. I'll need to do lots of rereading and ISOing past games tomorrow, though.

[Mina]

Also, while we're at it, when did Archwing become locktown? (I'm self-absorbed, as you can see. :p)

[DeasVail]

UCV's AtE here reminds me more of Radja flipping out over his case being ignored than LLD trying to make people bad about lynching her (which is more UCV's ATE in the scum game).

I don't want to fall into the trap of "UCV has a wildly different playstyle in this one game where he's scum, so he's town here!" but he's just a lot more natural here (his posts in the other game were a lot more theatrical and fake-helpful and full of exclamation marks, and Patrick agreed with me). And I know it's technically possible for team reads to be faked, but they feel organic. My only real doubt is that UCV's LLD thoughts sucked.

That game has definitely convinced me I should focus on chesskid's meta, though, because I have zero hope of catching you! :/ (Although you're warmer and fuzzier here.)

I see what you mean here and it's possible I'm trying too hard to explain away things that could point to town-Archwing to justify my scumread. I still find Archwing's play around the time of the replacements to fit very well with what I would expect from scum, but at this point I'm okay with day ending and revisiting this read later on.

[Mina]

Btw, my team is on the same page as me. (Fenchurch is starting to read the game from the beginning and strongly scumreads Smocaine but townreads Bins so far; CES seemed to think it was DV/Bins and wanted me to push one of them before deadline, although he may have been ironic ; Patrick is leaning toward xyzzy/Bins as the team with DV as a dark horse candidate; singer can't read until Sunday.) They aren't completely caught up with everything yet, though, so may be partly influenced by which players I'm focusing on.

[Dunkerdoodles]

archwing replaced ucv who was obv town to me

[Dunkerdoodles]

No. Fuck you. This one isn't creative's game. If creature decides to throw in some input. I am happy to share it, but you will not force me to only talk about what creature says and thinks. Okay.

Now let me fucking scum hunt.

Also. What about mulch and sheep? Do they not matter.

Right now, I want to search for my own reads.

this just feels out of his scum range

[Bins]

That's like the only post I don't like from UCV heheh

[Keychain]

Keychain, summary on why RC thinks Bins is town?

RC is no longer in TM after his ban so can't give further thoughts, but his initial townread on her was gut.

The read still stood after D2, she showed a heck of a lot of energy through that day and he found it very town-motivated.

rn i have me, arch, mina and keychain as locktown

anyone dispute these?

Not sure on Mina. I'm more convinced on town!Arch now and I'd rather lynch xyz than switch there.

Are any of your teammates following this game?

[Dunkerdoodles]

nope, our pt is dead

[Mina]

Bins' early D2 stuff made me townread her, so that's plausible, I guess.

While we're at it, Bins, you said like on Day One that Keychain can copy and paste her scum meta into her town games. What makes you clear her here?

I feel like I've been getting good info from the end of day, but FYI, I'll probably hammer tomorrow morning when I wake up unless someone wants me to wait on something.