Team Mafia 2018 Results and Postmortem

[implosion]

man our pt is great. Mostly thanks to skrew.

[Ranmaru]

I wanna see

[Fenchurch]

All our conversation happened on Skype, but we copied and pasted it into the topic.

[jjh927]

You can have this gem from the Eddie Cane discord that occurred in the 3 minutes or so immediately following Sheep's fakeclaim:

versace - 31/01/2018
lol wtf did sheep just post
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
Wait wtf is that sheep claim
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
lol sheep has a guilty on fench
??
i dont... buy it...
versace - 31/01/2018
well isn't that not at all what he claimed befoee
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
Okay so the prevailing opinion is "wtf"
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
he claimed little match girl
it
might work with flavor
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
no
It doesn't
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
but like
thats a lot in one role
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
Summary
There's a girl
who sells matches
but nobody wants to buy them
versace - 31/01/2018
lynch it
lynch it with fire
at worst fen tomorrow rofl
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
her dad will beat her up if she comes home without selling the matches
so she stays out at night in the cold
without coming home
because nobody bought them
and she doesn't want to be beaten up
so
versace - 31/01/2018
jjthe flavour god of Disney
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
she starts lighting the matches
and she sees a vision of her dead grandmother
and some other shit
and then she lights all the matches at once because she wants more visions or whatever
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
she gives the matches to everyone and then if she gives it to scum they burn to death by accident
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
and then she dies because no heat
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
im calling it
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
WAIt
WAIT
WAAAAAAAAAIT
SHIPLOP
SHEEP IS ARSO
Katyusha - 31/01/2018

Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
LITTLE MATCH GIRL IS ARSONIST
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
OH
OHH
Jay Hatt - 31/01/2018
FUCKING ALISAE BRINGING ARSONISTS INTO MAFIASCUM META
Katyusha - 31/01/2018
LMFAO
versace - 31/01/2018
LMAO

[Lycanfire]

the continuing story of eddie cane

[mhsmith0]

FUCKING ALISAE BRINGING ARSONISTS INTO MAFIASCUM META

In fairness, that was actually mhsmith0 as a reviewer bringing arsonist into MS meta.

[xRECKONERx]

arsonists have been on ms well before alisae

[Ellibereth]

I had a change of heart wrt to pt releases, ima just making judgement calls on the ones that have 4/5 yes's and a flaked no.

@Patrick - I recc'd your suggestion to zor for future runs, probably with an "official" n-day period (probably any analogous tiebreal) for people to say "no release". I suspect otherwise a lot of people would make that request in the middle of the games and that may be hell to keep track of.

Released PT's

Black Goo: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=74653
Sauciety: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=74672
Relaxed Nature: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=74620

[Fenchurch]

I had a change of heart wrt to pt releases, ima just making judgement calls on the ones that have 4/5 yes's and a flaked no.

I approve of this!

Some post-game thoughts on Magical Stories

:

Alisae

- Boon used the one-shot neighbourise on me on N3, but there didn't seem to be any effect from it. What happened to Boon's neighbourise action? The moderator chart mentions something about it being roleblocked, but I'm not sure how where a roleblock came from?

Relatedly...

Boon

- why did you neighbourise me there? Since Frog would know afterwards that you'd used it, if that neighbourhood had actually gone through it would surely have confirmed you as scum - at best, you'd have had to 1v1 me, which would still mean a loss the next day. Is there something I'm missing?

Frog

it made me laugh to see you talk in your team topic about what you would do as town, even when you are town

It's what I'd push as town.

jjh

I said it in our team topic, but I think that overall you were the strongest force for good in the game - you did the most to figure things out, keep town on track and lynching scum. Enjoyed reading that bit you posted about sheep's claim.

Thor

glad that you were there and sorry that you didn't enjoy the game more. Good work on pegging momo with your night action, this definitely changed the trajectory of the game massively in town's favour.

Other things I felt silly about afterwards:

• Not remembering about the thing where my role didn't work on magic, and not realising that hiplop's actions were magic
  
• Not remembering/considering what Boon's Mad Hatter action might have done, as linking that to the janitored flip might have cast some suspicion on his role being a town one after all
  
• Not asking Katsuki more about why he wanted me to target him N3. So I understand now it's because since he targeted me N2, he thought I would have received a PM saying who watched him that Night - but looking at the modding chart, because no one visited him, I didn't get anything (as opposed to a PM saying "no one visited Katsuki"). I had actually considered targeting Katsuki on N2, which would have made that bit play out differently, shame I didn't.

[Fenchurch]

Frog

it made me laugh to see you talk in your team topic about what you would do as town, even when you are town

It's what I'd push as town.

Also, in my opinion, you don’t need to fake paranoia in order to be townread. You seemed town from your activity and engagement, not from having doubts or paranoia.

Also just read ~3/4 of the Sauce team topic and holy hell, A50’s reads were good.

[Mathdino]

A50 was incredibly underrated in this entire tournament mostly because his communication of his tournament theory was lacking
Kinda pissed me off to see that logic shit on lol

[Almost50]

@Fen: 2 of our 4 town slots were the NK on N1 and the third on N2.

[Almost50]

@Dino: Do an ISO NOW of Creature and compare to the actual flips on all 5 games. You may do the same with Mulch who used the exact opposite approach.

[Almost50]

I mean, it all started with Creature giving an inexplicable TR on Cheeky, when I knew Dunker was Scum with momo. That triggered my lunacy bone.

[Ranmaru]

A50 contributed greatly to my own reads, and was what helped me to see Shea scum. I haven't shown it as much. Others liked to give their team mates reads constantly, I liked to play it like a hydra that gives united reads. He also helped to temper me when I have been doing silly things. Thank you for your support A50, and thank you again, Team Sauce.

[Almost50]

Anytime, my friend. It certainly was a joyful experience

[Alisae]

I was about to say you were looking at the wrong place, since all Boon has to do with that neighbourize is he tells Frog “Neighbourize this person” and it happens
But then I actually looked at the sheet since its been 2 months.
Fenchurch you were rolestopped/blocked by Garry N3.

[Gamma Emerald]

garry who

[Gamma Emerald]

nvm

[Fenchurch]

I was about to say you were looking at the wrong place, since all Boon has to do with that neighbourize is he tells Frog “Neighbourize this person” and it happens
But then I actually looked at the sheet since its been 2 months.
Fenchurch you were rolestopped/blocked by Garry N3.

Ah that's it - I saw that but I always forget what rolestop does.

Still curious why Boon chose to use the neighbourise at that point then, but maybe there wasn't a particular plan, just a hope that it might buy him 1 more mislynch at least.

A50 was incredibly underrated in this entire tournament mostly because his communication of his tournament theory was lacking
Kinda pissed me off to see that logic shit on lol

Depends what you mean, as I actually didn't agree that much with all the tournament theory stuff, at least not the bit where if a team was scumpartners in one game, they'd supposedly townread that team in other games. Mina was scumreading Bins in part because we were scum with Shea in WF, and she was worried that if we managed to pull a win in WF but then lost the normal to scum!Bins, that team would beat us.

But I was impressed A50's success in standard scumhunting, i.e. behavioural tells and the like.

And I agree with recognising which team members are more or less likely to pick scum - which is also why (like Patrick) I prefer the token system to drafting roles.

[Fenchurch]

- Best way to order teams after getting a n-ple with scum positions? We already have two possible methods just from this tiebreak thread.

I think the best kind of system would be a points-based system

Give each team X points (e.g. 50), they get to distribute those points amongst the playerlist however they choose. The score they receive is the product of the points they place on scum. So if team 1 places 15 and 3 points on the scum, they score 45, if team 2 places 10 and 5 then they score 50. If you choose to place a bunch of points on one scum, but nothing on the other then you'd score zero! This means it's more important how you rate your lower-placed scum, but both are of value.

(Credit to CES for the idea of using the product for the score)

[Almost50]

@Fench: I wasn't exactly talking about all teams as a generalization, but I couldn't explicitly say "Creature" as per the rules. Also, if I did specify Creature and he TR'd Cheeky hard for no in-game reason (he even hinted it was for out-of-game reasons in the game thread) I'd be telling everyone we are scum with his team in one of the other games.

So, I tried to appear like I'm generalizing, but the fact is I was relying on Creature doing this. and then Mulch doing the opposite mostly (i.e. Mulch FoS'd almost everyone from teams he knew were scum with his team in other games). I knew better than to use -say- Dino or Mastina's reads for that purpose. These are masters of camouflage and reverse psychology.

[Creature]

Maybe we should override the rule against discussing other games in-thread lol

[Almost50]

Maybe we should override the rule against discussing other games in-thread lol

You should learn to hold your closer to your chest.

I mean, I probably wouldn't have noticed if we didn't roll scum together in Ali's game, but that's an issue you need to work on

[EddieFenix]

PT opening is cool.